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I dunno, *can* we build #European alternatives to #Facebook and co?
The #EU community managers are at it again with promoting the EU instance on #Mastodon!
PS: the community management team (that's my team) are up for an award. Any chance you'd give us a vote? Project 32 on this link: enonet.eu/survey/index.php/227β¦
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Matt Vestengen-Cox
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Like, for real - companies and organisations sign up to Mastodon and then just expect people to show up.
But you gotta post on Facebook / Twitter / Threads / Instagram / whatever, to say:
"Hey! Look, we have our own accounts on Mastodon. Go get the Mastodon app and follow us over there!"
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Gilberto Ficara
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •I would argue that it really depends on what "Facebook", "instagram" and "whatsapp" mean for this person.
I think we don't really have a valid alternative to the Marketplace for example.
Instagram is pretty much covered by Mastodon and Pixelfed, but would it work at scale? (with millions or billions of photos and videos to store and moderate)
Whatsapp is a lot harder. I don't think that Matrix is a good alternative and unfortunately Signal is under US influence too.
Hannah Grace
in reply to Gilberto Ficara • • •@zompetto
Yeah, I mean the answer is phrased pretty broadly on purpose. Mastodon isn't the solution for all this, but I like to promote the EU mastodon account whenever I can.
(I'm trying to get it into the top 10 most followed (active) accounts on fedi, grinding away over here...)
Kyyrypyy
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •@zompetto
What I'd love would be a "facebook for local bussineses" that you don't need an account to view (a bulleting board, if you please); far too many companies still don't have only FB page for opening hours, menus and other information, so as a result it's easier to plan ahead if you're going to big chains.
I'd love Friendica to be that, but it's actually more strict about browsing without an account.
Luca Sironi
in reply to Gilberto Ficara • • •Friendica, would be the fediverse alternative to Facebook, giving the possibility to have private groups.
Here an article from (of course) @_elena
blog.elenarossini.com/the-futuβ¦
There are not that many #friendica instances, unfortunately
The Future of Social is Here: a Show and Tell (part 3: Friendica)
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Christopher Stark
in reply to Luca Sironi • • •@luca @zompetto @_elena
How "usable" is #friendica by now? Does anybody know?
#fediverse #socialmedia
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Luca Sironi
in reply to Christopher Stark • • •@christopherstark
People who use it, seems to love it.
I'm not that much into formatted posts or groups.
Never been on facebook.
For example people with a friendica account, could create a topic or local group
and you could follow that group from your mastodon account.
How cool is #fediverse
@informapirata
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Informa Pirata
in reply to Christopher Stark • •@Christopher Stark I'm a big fan of Friendica, but it's clear that, while Friendica has achieved a good level of usability, it isn't and never will be as usable as Mastodon.
Friendica is still the most complete software in the entire Fediverse and deserves a larger community of users and, above all, developers: currently, there are practically three of them maintaining the system!
I recommend trying the Raccoon for Friendica Android app (also usable with Mastodon) because it has significantly improved many of the web version's ergonomic issues. The app is currently still in beta, and I recommend downloading it from GitHub because the one on the app store is still version 0.4 and has some significant flaws.
github.com/LiveFastEatTrashRacβ¦
@Gilberto Ficara @Elena Rossini π @Luca Sironi @Hannah Grace
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in reply to Gilberto Ficara • • •Informa Pirata
in reply to Gilberto Ficara • •Hi @Gilberto Ficara
That's not the case. There's Flohmarkt, a federated app that's constantly improving and offers a sort of federated Amazon. Furthermore, Facebook has become indispensable for many people thanks to events and Facebook Groups, but even then we have alternatives: Friendica handles "events" very well, but there are also federated platforms specifically designed for event management (Mobilizon and Gancio). Today, it's also possible to federate WordPress events, thanks to the combination of three plugins (Activitypub, Eventbridge, and any event plugin).
As for Facebook Groups, we not only have systems that manage them from the ground up, like Friendica, but also the entire world I call Forumverso (Lemmy, NodeBB, Piefed, Mbin), which natively manages forum or Reddit-like platforms and can be managed very well by Mastodon. Additionally, there are Android apps for Mastodon like Raccoon (version 1.0 coming soon to the Play Store) that allow you to view groups much more intuitively than the standard Mastodon interface.
Large scale won't be a problem if there are many balanced medium-sized instances that don't overwhelm the subscribers (in fact, a few monster instances with more than 50,000 users can create veritable seismic waves on smaller instances). A truly federated and balanced environment offers far better moderation than commercial platforms, if only because in the Fediverse, the moderator-user ratio is a percentage made up of whole numbers, not fractions, as on commercial platforms.
As in the previous case, Matrix (or XMPP) could be a good alternative if there's a true federation and not huge, unsustainable nodes in the long term. The Matrix Foundation, for example, is struggling precisely because it manages a huge centralized server for software designed to be distributed...
The way Signal is managed, it wouldn't make a difference if it were American or European: the software is extremely reliable, and metadata collection is kept to a bare minimum.
@Hannah Grace
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in reply to Ollie the Proud Queer One πͺπΊπ³οΈβππ³οΈββ§οΈπ΅πΈπΊπ¦ • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •I already wondered who makes this good work! (Clicks link).
I think one problem is that people await a 1:1 copy of these platforms, but why should we imitate them with all their inherent bad sides? FB's strength are their groups where people can talk with their whole village or meet all gardeners of their region. Easy, intuitive for absolute non-techies. I can't do that in the Fediverse. But we don't need a FB clone to invent such places.
Vladimir Campos
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Brodlista
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Mycotropic
in reply to Brodlista • • •@brodlista
"Thank you for choosing your favourite project from the 'Award for Good Administration 2026' list.
Your vote has been recorded:
32. Community management of Commission social media accounts by DG COMM
European Commission - DG COMM
Sincerely,
The European Ombudsman's Award team"
Hannah Grace
in reply to Mycotropic • • •Thaaaaanks 100000 million times!
Tamtam
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Fediverse Connection
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Marcel
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •@hpod16
Bodo
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Erledigt β
Danke fΓΌr deine Arbeit! π
Conny Nasch
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •haui βπ΅πΈ
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Depends. Do you defend the murderous border regime of the eu with its concentration camps and the support of the genocidal israeli state?
If no, I'd be interested.
Father Hardstone
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Yes, as long they don't bring the #ageverification and #digitalid shite over those places as well ! There are already very good alternatives to #whatsapp that don' t even require a phone number e.g. @session @Jami π€
People value their privacy, as long as it's that's the core you are developing #socialmedia around instead of abusing their data !
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in reply to Hannah Grace • • •OddOpinions5
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •well, Airbus was a success
and CERN is a success
so maybe the EU should hire the managers of Airbus/CERN to run this ?
but seriously, how many years does it take to build up the knowledge and infrastructure to store Tb of data with safe backup hardware/software ?
a lot of skill just in that alone
and moving libre offic calc into the modern era is a huge task, just by itself
SomeVeganCheeseIsOk
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •I just want old reddit, where real humans made whole threads of terrible puns and the experts posted long, detailed, passionate, rambling essays on their subjects. I *loved* that. I love reading those conversations.
I miss that.
Hannah Grace
in reply to SomeVeganCheeseIsOk • • •I miss 2013 tumblr, personally. I just want to create tons of blogs and edit their htmls to personalise each one.
HEFKA
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •π«§ socialcoding..
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Another upvote for your team's efforts then. It is delightful to see how EU presence is expanding on the fediverse since EUVoice and EUVideo and 3-day workshop ActivityPub for Administrations by SocialHub.
socialhub.activitypub.rocks/puβ¦
EC - NGI0 Liaison -- Webinars and Workshop April 2021 - SocialHub
socialhub.activitypub.rocksHannah Grace
in reply to π«§ socialcoding.. • • •@smallcircles
Aaaaand did you see this sentence in the EU open source strategy published yesterday?
Link: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/β¦
Communication on European Tech Sovereignty, accompanied by an EU Open Source Strategy
Shaping Europeβs digital futureπ«§ socialcoding..
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •yes, I sure did. For a moment some time ago there was talk that the open source strategy would be less pronounced. But this direct reference to decentralized social media, and building out on mastodon is beyond expectations again. Nice!
PS. I maintain the 3 fediverse-related delightful lists that give a good overview of how many ActivityPub based open source projects already exist. See: delightful.coding.social
Delightful Lists
delightful.coding.socialTimothy Roes
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Hannah Grace
in reply to Timothy Roes • • •@TimothyRoes @smallcircles
Hahahaha that's my ultimate plan!
The final goal: turn the EU flag from blue to purple!
π«§ socialcoding..
in reply to Timothy Roes • • •I assume you refer to how in communication references to "mastodon" are made?
There's indeed something problematic in that, about which I've been posting a lot and also blogged about: the app-centric nature of the current fediverse, and the re-centralization forces this sets in motion.
See e.g. coding.social/blog/grassroots-β¦
Mastodon is a brand. A platform and product that targets the fediverse to offer Microblogging services. The way it is used puts it on a pedestal, makes it more prominent than other microblogging apps like #GoToSocial, #Pleroma, and many other alternatives. But it is the social network as a whole that counts, not individual service provider players.
The word #Mastodon is overused in too broad meaning, similar to how people say "I'll google it" when they want to do an internet search. It sells alternatives short, like DuckDuckGo or Kagi. Some people don't even know about fediverse and say "Join mastodon" when they mean "Join the decentralized web".
Grassroots fediverse evolution
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Timothy Roes
in reply to π«§ socialcoding.. • • •Hannah Grace
in reply to Timothy Roes • • •@TimothyRoes @smallcircles
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But I am learning a lot of interesting things in this thread!
Timothy Roes
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •π«§ socialcoding..
in reply to Timothy Roes • • •@TimothyRoes
The (over)use of "mastodon" is understandable. Mastodon played a pioneering role in implementing microblogging use cases with the #ActivityPub protocol and is also the most mature product at this point in that 'business domain'. Establishing itself as a brand.
#Fediverse is not a very descriptive name to people unfamiliar with it and the idea that it provides access to many apps that integrate with on a single social network (ideally) interoperably is foreign. They are used to 'platform thinking'. Fediverse weaves a social fabric that allows you to be "social together with others" online.
The europa.eu website now has a #Mastodon icon in its social channel list, that hides all that.
Perhaps most communicative is the name #ActivityStreams (name of W3C standard vocabulary of social actions to support). Then a person would subscribe to EU's activity streams and receive Posts, Articles, Videos, Events, Policies, News. Every service the EU offers adds to the stream.
π«§ socialcoding..
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •@TimothyRoes
Ha ha, me too. Now I know your favorite color. π Mine is likely orange, and its not because I'm Dutch. But purples comes a long way, perhaps second in line π
Graeme π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Informa Pirata
in reply to Graeme π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ • •@Graeme π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ People over 40 still use Facebook thanks to two specific features: events and groups. Local groups, in particular, are an important way to find news about their town and to identify local buying and selling deals.
Some still use Messenger, but it's not a determining factor. The messaging system, however, is crucial for those who use Instagram, which now relies solely on passively viewing reels and actively writing messages to their contacts.
@Hannah Grace
Graeme π΄σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ
in reply to Informa Pirata • • •Harald
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Facebook? Like .... what?
Would you be able to write down 10 features you feel are provided by facebook?
Hannah Grace
in reply to Harald • • •In this case it's a rhetorical question, to show that we are promoting Mastodon as an alternative.
WesDym
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •I don't understand this question. The actual THING is stupidly easy to make. Hell, I was often impressed with how weirdly primitive Facebook is, given when it exists. (Some earlier platforms were much more sophisticated.) The thing itself is easy to do. It's the PEOPLE USING IT and how it's managed that make the difference, and that's been done many times and can be done again.
Just make something and see who shows up, and try not to let it get out of hand. Why is this even an issue?
Nicolas Fressengeas
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Vote done ! Finger crossed ! Thanks for promoting Mastodon and the Fediverse !
For a Facebook alternative linked to Mastodon through ActivityPub, it's here : friendi.ca/
The overall alternative is already there. It is called the Fediverse. It needs money for servers and people taking care of them. And people like you for promotion.
friendica β A Decentralized Social Network
Tobias (friendica)Martin
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •acb
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •tusk
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •The other side, which can not be seen by us, is the side where the money circulates, where companies and political forces pay for what is deliberately shown to us.
We must not implement the other side.
Lars
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in reply to Hannah Grace • • •jfml - Jonas Laugs
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Dagger βοΈ
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •maswan
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Christoph JΓΌngling
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Tofm2
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •social.netdynamics.eu, based on the fediverse, compatible wit Mastodon, without its limitations, relying on the friendica platform, with a European mindset is THE alternative platform to Facebook.
Registrations open, you are welcome to join, we are waiting for you.
social.netdynamics.eu
DFX4509B (Joshua Mason)
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Can't you just self-host a Friendica instance in the EU? That would very much be a Euro FB replacement.
Ditto for Pixelfed with regards to IG, Mastodon with regards to Twitter, Lemmy with regards to Reddit, Loops with regards to Tiktok, and PeerTube with regards to YT.
Hannah Grace
in reply to DFX4509B (Joshua Mason) • • •On my part, it was a rhetorical question, the point being that our EU instance on Fediverse does exist. But I am learning a lot about European alternatives thanks to this thread, so that's nice. π
Informa Pirata
in reply to Hannah Grace • •Tofm2
in reply to DFX4509B (Joshua Mason) • • •European Network Dynamics is precisely answering that point
@DFX4509B You're absolutely right, and the good news is: it already exists! π European Network Dynamics runs Social. Netdynamics.eu, a Friendica-based instance, self-hosted in the EU, designed as a positive agora for European citizens to connect, share, and speak freely. It federates across the entire Fediverse while keeping your data under European jurisdiction. Registrations are free and open! Why not join us and bring this conversation there? π€ Everyone in this thread is welcome, the more voices, the richer the community. β¨
π social.netdynamics.eu
Kind regards.
#netdynamics #netdynamics.eu #fediverse #friendica @DFX4509B (Joshua Mason)
Tofm2
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •Coal
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •i always put into question *do we want to*?
I don't want the leopard that eats peoples faces no matter where it's engineered
Tofm2
in reply to Coal • • •Let us reformulate this question like this : "do you want to join European Netdynamics ?"
Friendica has no defined nationality, it does not belong to a private techno-feodalist company. Friendica was orginally built by an american australian.
Friendica is totally open sourced.One of Friendica's team key members (Tobias Diekershoff) is German Berliner.
European Netdynamics is self hosted in France, by an officially registered company (registration number on demand, by PM)
Registration, participation is free and open to anyone.
@Coal
Cecilia | MeraOrd
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •The Fedibook already exists.
fedibook.net/login
Log in β Fedibook
fedibook.netLeander Lindahl
in reply to Cecilia | MeraOrd • • •@meraord indeed, its early days yet, but a promising concept.
fedibook.net/groups/digital-soβ¦
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fedibook.netLeander Lindahl
in reply to Hannah Grace • • •π€©πͺπΊβοΈ