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"the problem is exactly what you say: no one can guarantee me that one day Bluesky will become closed."

Why not run your own PDS? Why not run your own relay? There are multiple PDSs and mutliple relays. Anyone can run them.

Most people on Mastodon trust someone else with their data. Unlike ATProto, they can't move it to another server. If the server dies, it's gone. If the admin goes rogue, they can do whatever they want to it.

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@Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦 Sorry if I explained myself badly, but I made a translation error: I didn't mean to say "Bluesky will close", but "Bluesky will become a non-open platform".

The problem is therefore not in the persistence of Bluesky (nothing is persistent), but in the fact that one day it could become a platform usable only with a premium profile

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@notizie But under ATProto, migration is even easier and more thorough than under Mastodon, so what is the issue? A major Mastodon server going closed would be much more significant, because your data is stuck there.

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@Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦 is there currently a way to create your own BlueSky server? and how free is it to use compared to the centralized power of Bluesky inc? I haven't had a chance to check out these technical aspects yet, but if you're knowledgeable enough, could you give me some answers?

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@notizie Yes. Note that Bluesky isn't grouped into single "servers" that do everything and are governed by an all-powerful overlord; it's split up into many servers that do specific tasks.

If the analogy for ActivityPub is of forums, the analogy for ATProto is personal websites on the internet. Your "webhost" (which may be yours, or shared) is called a PDS (Personal Data Server). All of your posts, and even all comments on other peoples' posts, are stored on your PDS.

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Your "IP address" by which your posts are referenced is your DID (Distributed Identifier). So even if you change "webhosts" (PDS), your old data continues to be available. It's cryptographically signed to verify it's authentic.

Your "DNS", equivalent to a Mastodon handle, which points to your DID, is a literal internet domain. Most people just use a bluesky.social domain, but you can use your own domain (verified by hosting a file on your domain), ...

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@notizie and thus it provides a user-verification methodology. E.g. if someone's handle is CDC.gov, you can be certain that they actually control the CDC.gov domain.

If you have a bunch of "personal websites" (PDSs), then how do they fit together? You need a "Google", e.g. an indexer. This is called a Relay. And just like you can have multiple indexers on the internet (Google, Bing, etc) you can have multiple relays.

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@notizie
Lastly, in the analogy, what's a web browser? That's the "AppView". This talks to one or more Relays and puts together your view of the network.

Just like on the internet, there can be a variety of different services. You can have user-made Feeds (analogy: RSS feeds) which the user can pick from to decide what goes in their timeline, in what order; and also Labelers (analogy: spam filters), which can tag any content anywhere on the network with labels, and users...

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can subscribe to their labeling services to decide what to filter out. A given appview may (for legal reasons) mandate at least subscribing to certain labels from certain labelers.

So when you say you want to host a server, you first need to decide which type of server / servers you want to run. A PDS with one user is *very* lightweight; you could run it on a 286 on a 56k modem ;) A relay by contrast is equivalent to running one of the moderately large Mastodon servers.

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@Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦 Thanks for the info. Very interesting. I see something similar to Hubzilla's Zot protocol and its nomadic accounts

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Yeah, the devs come out of the peer-to-peer space, and you can see its fingerprints all over the design. For example, Paul Frazee developed Secure Scuttlebutt (peer-to-peer social network), Beaker Browser (peer-to-peer web browser), and then CTZN (peer-to-peer social network). A lot of the protocol structure, such as DIDs, CIDs, CARs, etc come from IPLD, which forms the backend of IPFS (though IPFS itself isn't actually used, just the peer-to-peer protocol elements).

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@notizie Unlike Nostr, though, they've been really adamant about keeping crypto out of the ecosystem.

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There is one shortfall of federation. My old mastodon account was on a server that just shut down one day, and then came back with different admin and no data. So I had to create a new account on a new server with no way to carry over my past. It just died. I've used the same email address for 30 years, same twitter for 17, but mastodon account didn't last five. When I was dialing into BBS' I wasn't surprised if one disappeared. Mastodon is a little too similar for comfort.

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@Bill Bereza

> It just died. I've used the same email address for 30 years, same twitter for 17

this But, excuse me, but it's an optical illusion: in fact, seventeen years ago, email providers all had a clear business model, based on the drainage of personal data.
Those that existed 17 years ago were also almost all linked to giant corporate conglomerates...
If you had started using webmail services in the nineties, you would have realized that most of the webmail service providers active in that period no longer exist.

(PS: however, my previous post has a translation error that compromised its meaning: I did not mean to suggest the closure of BlueSky, but simply the possibility that it could become a non-open platform)

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