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When I opened up Lemmy this morning I could not believe my eyes. The top story was a headline from Forbes stating:
« ‘Open Source And Ethical’ TikTok, WhatsApp And Instagram Alternatives Could Transform Social Media ».

The article mostly focused on #Pixelfed and did a fairly good job explaining how #ActivityPub works. But they spelled #Mastodon « Mastadon » over and over again with no links to it. Yikes.

B for the effort, but please editors do better!

forbes.com/sites/esatdedezade/…

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

The author's probably never used it themselves—all their own social links are corporate.
in reply to rfg

@rfg spot on. While reading the article my top thought was: this journalist has never used any of these tools - and has probably never even visited any of their websites 🫠

But props for how they described decentralization and how ActivityPub works

@rfg
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

its impressive to me that we trust them to be honest about who the top list of the richest people in the world is but they dont even use spellcheck before posting an article
in reply to wakest ⁂

i should mention that its not a real forbes article but some opinion page thing, forbes has so much random stuff on its website
in reply to CHINESE MILLENNIUM TAKEOVER 💹💹

@penny shows up in google news like any forbes article so it counts to me, but I understand you mean there are different levels of authenticity for how forbesy something is
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

weird, almost makes it looks like they misspelled Mastodon on purpose. 🫠
in reply to Lord Elektron

@ruisdeeltje

If it was deliberate it won't stop people finding Mastodon.

If you put the incorrect spelling into google the top search result is still

mastodon.social

second is the wikipedia article about mastodon.

But, I am using a plugin to block the google AI crap.

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

"Masta Blasta" ? 😅 youtu.be/44F34jc7wGI
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

great and not so great, it illustrates why we are in the political fascist mess we are in here right now with the main stream media…

Either they have no clue, no educated opinion or they simply don’t care and they are acting as if stupidity is a virtue.

#bigtech #mainstreammedia #desinformation #stupidity

in reply to xs4me2

@xs4me2 tangentially-related but it makes me a little sad that the news media would only acknowledge the existence of the Fediverse when there is money involved.

I'm thrilled for the success of Pixelfed's Kickstarter campaign but Dan has been working on it tirelessly for 7 YEARS. Hello news media, why didn't you mention Pixelfed before?

Aw capitalism (ew)

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

@xs4me2 In defence, I don't think that's the reason. It's being reported on now because the official apps are publicly available having been in beta-limbo forever. Following their release, exposure on TikTok and insta resulted in user numbers rocketing. Tech media began to report on it, and now news media, as a result of Pixelfed entering the conversation. News media aren't likely to report on a beta app used by a relatively negligible number of people.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Oh no. The Mastodon misspelling curse continues, after nearly 25 years.

(I joined the Power Rangers fandom in 2001 and it was a glaring issue there.)

in reply to J M Berntson

@J M Berntson @Elena Rossini ⁂ hYou're talking about modern writers. They're lucky they know how to use punctuation and some sort of proper grammar, let alone how to spell things correctly! But if it makes you feel any better, here is a quote from 1907 about newspapers. Unlike most of my grammars, it was written by an American, so I cannot say whether the same held true in England. Sadly, though, I can say that today, the quality of writing, and especially speech at the BBC is terrible in most cases, though there are some exceptions.

"Our newspapers are almost universally characterized by provincial and vulgar diction. (There are a few honorable exceptions.) An expression like " Rev. Clifford has proven himself a hustler" is no more justified by the wide currency of similar expressions in the newspapers than " has went " is justified by wide currency in conversation. General newspaper usage has nothing whatever to do with good English usage." EDWIN C. WOOLLEY

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Thanks for letting us know! I sent a message to the author asking to correct the typo (from his personal website), we'll see if it works..
in reply to El Duvelle

@elduvelle that's amazing, thank you so much for this!

I wanted to do that today but I had to take care of my little one (breakfast, getting dressed, pre-school dropoff). I just got home from her school. I'm so thankful for your email to the author! 🏆

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I’ve noticed that this “mastADon” misspelling is a thing. Seen it a few times on Reddit. I wonder if the drunken goblins that run autocorrect on our devices have now learned it that way for some of those users after repeated typos.

My drunken goblin has some favorite “corrections” for sure

in reply to astroPug

@astroPug I know right? the misspelling is SO COMMON, I see it ALL the time.

Italian is my first language and when I write in English I invariably spell-check - especially if I'm writing an article for my blog. Imagine not spell-checking something that gets published on an actual news media site?

Seeing "Mastadon" in the press makes me a little angry every time it happens.

in reply to astroPug

@astroPug @Elena Rossini ⁂ Even as a grammar prescriptivist, I used to misspell that! The difference is that I am totally blind and use a screen reader (I only know the letters of words if I go over them one at a time), and I'm not writing professionally. But even if I were just writing to my readers on Dreamwidth or here on Friendica, if it were an essay or I wanted to promote something, I would certainly ensure that I knew how to spell it!
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Spell checkers are there for a reason, but I guess some would think they give fake info.
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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

And mastodon is an actual word while mastadon is not, so they must not use spellcheck!
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

It seems they've fixed it, thankfully.

That said, I find the MastAdon misspelling interesting, because to me it's obvious that it's not spelled with an A because I'd pronounce that differently, but apparently a lot of speakers pronounce these two spellings the same. I wonder if it's native English speakers generally, or perhaps to do with dialects.

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Please join me in a round of applause for @elduvelle who, after reading my toot, reached out to the Forbes journalist, pointing out the "Mastadon" typo.

The typo has been fixed and the article is even linking to joinmastodon.org now 🥳

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

It just occurred to me that the Forbes article uses a stock photo of a hand holding up a smartphone with a bunch of apps from mainstream, for-profit social media... even if the piece is about the #Fediverse.

So on my to do list for today: recreating a similar photo showing Fediverse software instead. Like, how my actual phone looks like.

As a photographer, I feel it's my duty to do this.

I will give the pic a CC BY-ND license. Thoughts?

And fellow photographers will you join in?

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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

That sounds like a great idea!

Consider making one with the official apps only, and one with a bunch of third-party alternative apps as well as (or instead of) the official ones. Showcase how Fedi encourages software diversity.

in reply to mkj

@mkj great point! My iPhone has Impressia, Ivory, Mastodon, Mona, Pixelfed, Surf, Voyager (for Lemmy) and Wordpress (for my federated Wordpress blogs).

I was thinking of removing Impressia (for simplicity) and Wordpress (confusing). Not sure what should be on it, just Mastodon and Pixelfed seems too few.

Maybe: Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops and PeerTube? Is there something else for Lemmy? I could create a shortcut on my phone for lemmy.world

@mkj
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

For Lemmy you can take a look here: join-lemmy.org/apps

For the rest, who knows if there are web apps in ios like for Android. Friendica for example on Android allows you to install the web app. On ios I don't know

@mkj

@mkj
in reply to informapirata ⁂

thanks! I added a shortcut to lemmy.world in that folder and it looks really nice. I think it's supposed to be a representation of Fediverse platforms (the photo) so even if one shortcut is not technically an app, I think it should do (I use Voyager for Lemmy)
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in reply to mkj

@mkj @informapirata I have this so far.

Now taking a photo of my hand holding the phone while home alone is proving tricky. I will see if I can slap this onto a ready-made phone mockup

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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Great start!

And surely you must have a tripod (or even just a monopod) somewhere in the attic? 😉

@informapirata

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in reply to mkj

@mkj thanks! yes of course I have tripods (3 even!) but I need to switch cameras and use one with a remote.

Also: light/glare is a bit of an issue, an already made mockup would work so much better. Like this: elements.envato.com/a-hand-hol…

@mkj
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

non credo che nessuno abbia mai fatto una fotografia a un cellulare acceso per pubblicarla. L'unica possibilità di ottenere un risultato decente è quella di appiccicare lo screenshot in post elaborazione
Poi magari l'iPhone ha uno schermo così figo che puoi anche evitare di fare questo lavoro, ma credo che la cosa migliore sia lo screenshot
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

If at some point you want to do an update, I quickly edited it so that it has the original Lemmy logo and the new/future Loops logo.

No hurry, maybe it can wait the new version of Loops being released, and maybe it’s easier just to retake an updated screenshot at some point of the future with whatever apps are relevant at that time. Simply got an itch to “fix” those 😀

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in reply to Nexy

@Nexy it's a PWA app.

If you start using phanpy from an android browser like chrome, it will propose you to install it like an 'app'.

if you're just reading up, the ui experience is as good as in the computer browser, for example it feels very natural to browse the boost carousel with the fingers 🙂

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

You are completely on the right track, Elena. Also a good time to point out how much I admire your enthusiasm! ❤️

From a recent trip to Germany, I brought home a Fairphone 5. Let me know if I can help out with a photo of Fedi apps on such screen.

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

why not create a jpg that looks like a fediverse phone, put it in the phone as wallpaper, then you can set up the phone and photograph it with your camera or another phone without the screen getting dim?
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Better CC-licensed stock photos than Getty's but stock photos are used by news outlets to grab attention and clicks, not convey information. Their use is a symptom of that industry's rot.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Thanks, great idea! I strongly suggest the CC BY-SA license instead. This would allow:
1. Others to build on your good work, such as by swapping out, or adding, an app icon on the smartphone screen with another Fediverse app.
2. Still require attribution to you *without* implying endorsement.
3. Allow improvements to accessibility such as translations.
4. Allow easier incorporation into other things such as embedding the image in slides for a presentation about the Fediverse, etc.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

My best shot at a stock photo for the #Fediverse, showing its most popular projects.

Please show some mercy, I am not a hand model (obvi) and my masking skills are a little rusty.

If some photographers would like to improve it, I could share my original photo and screenshot.

Hilariously, when I opened the tripod my bracelet got stuck in it and I semi-panicked for a few moments because I was home alone... with a tripod stuck to my wrist. Thankfully I managed to free myself 😂

#FediLove

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I was going suggest Phanpy (I have it installed as my only Mastodon client on my iPhone as a PWA and it works really well) but indeed having only "official" apps may be a better idea for a generic photo like this.
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in reply to D1re_W0lf

@d1re_w0lf indeed, I would have added it but opted for simplicity and just having the flagship projects shown.

My real Fediverse folder has Ivory, Mona, Surf and Voyager

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

How's Voyager if yo don't mind me asking?
I've been using Mlem ( mlem.group ) and it "does it job" but there's always room for a better app. 😁
in reply to D1re_W0lf

@d1re_w0lf I really like it! It's the only Lemmy app I've ever used, though, so I have no frame of reference
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Check out @IceCubesApp for Mastodon, it's open source and doesn't require a subscription, unlike Ivory. And for Lemmy, take a look at Arctic, it closely resembles Apollo for Reddit, but it's a native iOS/SwiftUI app, unlike Voyager, which is basically just a web app.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

@_elena‌ would it be a good or bad idea trying to make it “fuller” by adding some unofficial apps?
in reply to Oblomov

@oblomov since mainstream media is 100% clueless about the Fediverse, I thought the best approach was the KISS principle (keep it simple, stupid).

In reality I don't even use the Mastodon app. I have Ivory for mastodon.social and Mona for my self-hosted instance...

in reply to Efexor Zolpidem

@capeta I'm so glad I got spared the embarrassment of having to knock on a neighbor's door, asking them to "free me" from the tripod 😂
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I see at least 2 fingers and a thumb. Even a fingernail. That totally qualifies to be a hand model IMHO. 🤳
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

-Thanks for doing this! - my suggestion is to add a Friendica web app, Raccoon for Friendica, Fedilab or Insporation* app icon for that sixth spot to make it more symmetrical.
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in reply to Total Sonic Media

@TotalSonic I hadn't heard of Insporation* before it looks quite nice. Cool to see people still working on Diaspora stuff
in reply to wakest ⁂

@liaizon - yeah, I think Diaspora has some advantages over Friendica - it has an official mobile app for both iOS and Android, smoother sign up process, less cluttered and less confusing gui, and easier to categorize contacts and target posts. Its main disadvantages to me is that posts are not editable after you make them, and that it doesn't use ActivityPub, only its own protocol. My hope is someone combines the best of Friendica and Diaspora for yet another platform.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

- screen shot of my "social" apps - also a shout out to the NeoLauncher's category based app drawer for making apps better organized.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

After Orson Welles, you can then confirm that tripods are indeed dangerous?
in reply to bovaz

@bovaz clappers too! 🎬 I once got my finger stuck in it, injuring it (there was blood even!) 🙃
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Dear Fedi friends, thank you for all your boosts and messages today – it's been a RIP my mentions sort of day not just on Mastodon, but on Pixelfed too. Wow.

I'm delighted to hear you liked my smartphone "stock" photo of Fedi apps. Tomorrow I'll add it to my website with clear instructions (re: CC license) so that hopefully anyone can download it and use it.

I'm off to pick up my child from pre-school, so I'll be offline for the next few hours. Thanks for all your feedback & support! ❤️

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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

looks great! Maybe add it to your websites and add a Creative Commons license to make your intentions clear, e.g. if you want it to be shared and give credit use: CC-BY-SA etc.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Looks great Elena!

Happy that you're still with us. Death by tripod is such a silly way to go 🙃

in reply to Tormod

@airwhale I've been using tripods for 2 decades and it's the first time this ever happened... such a freak accident, LOL
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

You could always add some mastodon client apps like @ivory and @MonaApp and @IceCubesApp too!!!
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in reply to wendinoakland

@wendinoakland yes I thought about it but I preferred to keep it simple and only show official apps or shortcuts to websites (like Lemmy) because mainstream media is totally clueless about the Fediverse and I didn't want to add extra complexity. The whole KISS / Keep it simple, Stupid principle that is.

I may do a v2 with Friendica, too, following many requests

@ivory @MonaApp @IceCubesApp

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

haha, I just opened #lemmy and the first post was your picture reshared by @fediverse
Thanks for your enthusiasm!
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

nice, may want to add it to @mediawiki hope to see this guess added to news sources in the future
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I’m giving a talk on #decentralisation in Feb at Social Media Breakfast Madison And would love to use this!
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I usually use a copyleft license like CC BY-SA because I think it's better to let people to create derivative with same license than not permit them.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

very cool! I'm sure I'm not the only one who messaged them but I'm glad it got updated. Thanks for drawing attention to the article (and the typo) in the first place, and for everything else that you do for the Fedi ❤️
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Never mind the spelling of Mastodon, I’m stunned Forbes knows how to spell ‘ethical’!
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

thats hilarious I keep spelling it wrong too, just makes more sense
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

not their fault, they looked for Mastadon and could not find a website so they decided it was probably not important enough to include if it could not be found easily...
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

The stock photo shows the major social media apps.

Let's think about all the free publicity that these guys get. They have share buttons with their logo on on every news paper website, every news broascaster website and numerous other websites.

The media that are dependent on these networks have fed the beast that is killing them.

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Whenever I see it written like 'Mastadon' I think of Sacha Dhawan's delivery of "Spy.... Master" in Doctor Who.

Which doesn't mean anything except that I definitely belong on Mastodon.

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Can we talk #Lemmy ?

I’d like to get away from #Reddit but I’ve heard sketchy things about the people behind Lemmy and I haven’t seen any other platform coming up better.

What’s your take?

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

maybe they were from New Jersey or Boston? Kind of like how they say “pasta” and “mazda” with that “Ah!” A like the A in apple?
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

They must have seen your comments since links were added and spelling corrected.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

The article has corrected both those points, the misspelling and the lack of links. The new editorial process is publish first, have an editor look at it when they have time.

I caught a story on car radio this weekend, NPR, about the fediverse and they spent an inordinately long time mocking the name in the most derisive and childish manner, but did praise ActivityPub, Masto, Pixelfed, et al for being the only viable path forward for a free and open internet. Better than nothing?

in reply to Slyphic

@Slyphic It's not a news article from the news/editorial team, it's one of their "contributor" blogs.

joshsteimle.com/writing/how-be…

in reply to Michael Downey 🚩

@downey @Slyphic the article is chilling... basically Forbes doesn't pay contributors but "journalists" (like the one explaining the system in this blog post) can create a "PR firm" and charge upwards of $15k/month for the promise to get you featured on Forbes?!? How is this even legal?!?
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

a week ago I was going to mastodon and typing it in to the address bar; I couldn’t get it on the screen, and a couple of efforts later ,realized I’d been typing in “masturbate.social” so I can’t say much…
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Seems intentional. Pixelfed mostly represents a loss of advertising revenue, while Mastodon represents a loss of control over narrative.