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🧵 on how #Mastodon, and the rest of the #Fediverse, invisiblize the #GlobalSouth.

I have argued a few times that for all practical purposes, the global south does not exist for Mastodon, and for the rest of the Fediverse. But many people I interact with do not quite understand how this works in practice.

This series of posts is an effort to illustrate that mechanism.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

Say there is a user X on random server Y. Assume that no user on mastodon.social (for example) follows user X. Assume that users on mastodon.social follow other users on server Y. Assume further that neither server has blocked the other.

User X writes a post containing the term, say, #Namibia. The post receives no reply, no boost, no like.

Later, someone searches for #Namibia on mastodon.social. The search results will NOT include user X’s post containing the term #Namibia.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

A relay may complicate the above picture slightly. But if server Y in the above example is an isolated #GlobalSouth instance, or if it is running software (such as Hubzilla) not based on #ActivityPub, then the relay will most likely not be pulling posts from there, so the example will still hold.

In this context, remember many instances do not add relays because the additional posts pulled in through the relay increase the storage and processing costs.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

Generalize mastodon.social in the above example to all mainstream, primarily #GlobalNorth, #Mastodon servers. No user on any of those servers will ever become aware of user X’s post containing #Namibia, even if some of them consciously search for the term.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

An overwhelming majority of #GlobalNorth users have no interest in #GlobalSouth topics. They neither follow users focussed on global south issues, nor boost or like posts on global south topics.

That’s their prerogative, of course; but that is also the root cause underlying the above dynamic. There is no obvious resolution to it, at least not within the narrow confines of the #Fediverse.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

So the user X in the above example could be any account focussed on #GlobalSouth topics. Replace #Namibia with any other country or topic concerning the global south.

The dynamic described above will play out in all these cases.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

That’s it, that’s the mechanism.

Forget #GlobalNorth users, even #GlobalSouth users cannot find fellow users from their regions, or find posts about the global south, even if both exist.

This happens with most global south users, and with an overwhelming majority of the posts on global south topics.

That’s how #Mastodon, and the rest of the #Fediverse, invisiblize the global south.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

As a direct consequence, the majority of #GlobalSouth users who drift into the #Fediverse get disillusioned, and return/move on to #Facebook or #Twitter or #Threads.

The #GlobalNorth users on the Fediverse never even become aware of this loss; though many of them perceive the monotony of voices/topics, and silently move out; leaving behind a tiny, malnourished social medium.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

Also - for those who are interested in expanding their horizons southward, look for profiles on: mastodon.africa/explore

@feralthoughts

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in reply to GinevraCat

@GinevraCat Indeed, but it's a small South African instance. Being from West Africa and here for quite some time, there aren't many accounts from the continent as a whole.
Tried to do lists and the like a few months ago, but there aren't many accounts to populate them...
And that's indeed a shame.
On the other hand, many are still on X (not BS), as they carved their niche by affinity and aren't all that bothered with what's happening in the rest of this white supremacist space.
in reply to DJM (freelance for hire)

@cybeardjm I get why communities would choose to stay on X. It's a pity to not make alternatives welcoming and easy, though.
in reply to Feral Thoughts

well outlined. only a workaround, but are there any lists of global south servers from each of which a single follow would enable visibility across my server?
in reply to Feral Thoughts

@anilmc
@augustocc maintains a list of Brazilian instances and also has lots of resources for newcomers
social.br-linux.org/@augustocc…

(All in Portuguese obviously)


Kit de boas vindas pra quem está chegando ao Mastodon 🤗

Aqui é diferente, mas parecido com o que você ja conhecia. Esses links vão te ajudar:

1️⃣ Minha thread de dicas pro 🐘: social.br-linux.org/@augustocc…

2️⃣ Minha thread apresentando o 🐘 pra quem conhece bem o Twitter: social.br-linux.org/@augustocc…

3️⃣ Pra seguir gente legal e não ficar com a timeline vazia: mastodon.br-linux.org/falantes…

4️⃣ Pra escolher uma boa instância de brasileiros: mastodon.br-linux.org/instanci…

💥 Temos mais dicas em boasvindas.io !


in reply to Santiago Lema

@santiago @anilmc @augustocc

Two mastodon instances from South Africa: mastodon.africa and mastodon.monoceros.co.za.

mastodon.holeyfox.co is a Nigerian instance.

mastodon.mg from Madagascar.

Sasa.africa is another African one.

Here is a map and list of instances by location:
umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/m…

in reply to anilmc

There are, and the dynamic works with everyone everywhere.

ActivityPub's server-centric protocol and lack of hubs prevents easy discovery.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

that’s a real issue, and we hope that fediscovery.org can be a good start to improve things here

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in reply to Renaud Chaput

@renchap

In a follow-up thread posted at

union.place/@feralthoughts/114…

I placed the "global south invisiblization" problem in a larger context, and suggested a couple of steps that may remedy the situation.

I have no idea whether, and to what extent, it overlaps with your roadmap. Would appreciate your comments.


My 🧵, on how #Mastodon, and the rest of the #Fediverse, invisiblize the #GlobalSouth, at

union.place/@feralthoughts/114…

triggered discussion as to what can be done to prevent global south users/topics from getting erased on federated #SocialMedia.

This 🧵 is my effort to place the problem in a larger context, and to suggest steps towards resolving the problem.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

most of those are on it. We need to carefully think about privacy and user choice but our Fediscovery project should be a good first step. You can watch David’s video on the website to see what we have in mind.
in reply to Renaud Chaput

@renchap

Happy to know those steps are on your roadmap.

Will search for the video you mentioned and check it out - thanks.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

@Feral Thoughts I don't live in the Global South, rather in Eastern Europe. I am also facing the issue myself (i.e. content in my language and relevant to me is just almost impossible to find, especially if it's not the topic I'm looking for). The truth is that besides the english-speaking world and Germany, national communities are simply struggling to exist in the Fediverse. Most of the stuff in my feed is in either english or german, with content in Romanian (my language) mostly being aided by the RSS feeds that I follow here on Friendica.

Otherwise, I keep switching to centralized platforms like Facebook or Reddit for content that's not available outside them. Even with Threads being federated, there are simply no accounts that I can follow here, not only because federation is opt-in on behalf of Threads, but also because Meta has not enabled Fediverse functionality in Europe at all, due to GDPR compliance issues.

It's an unfortunate situation anyway.

Probably getting your friends to Friendica and letting them know about the RSS functionality could help a little for you as well. Or probably enough people with connections in the Global North could gradually form a community that could grow exponentially and also bring locals in the process. Otherwise, I don't know. I can only recommend you to do what I do:

  • If you have something in mind, any thoughts, put them up here, and use your own language. The Fediverse will only grow if more people speak more languages. I know it mostly looks like you're speaking into the void, but remember that the content is done by all of us, who joined here. Once you have enough content, people might start following you for more.
  • Always approach either social topics or topics of your interest (i.e. a hobby you might have, like singing a certain instrument, bird watching etc.). I see lots of non-english accounts (and english too, if you count India for that matter) that are just promoting a certain business no one has heard about, probably even only offering local services. That is very unlikely to show any interest for me, despite how many hashtags that post might have. If you have a social media account for your business here, just make it a bit quirky, make it so that people would interact with your content (in a positive way, hopefully), even if they don't buy your product. But again, try expressing your true self whenever possible if you're not selling anything.
  • What's wrong with gathering a following from the Global North too? You can also showcase some of your traditions, snippets of your life out there, you can present events that happen in your country and giving them a perspective that shows how the Global North is affected as well. i.e. since you're in Brazil, write about the rainforests of the Amazon river, idk, or someone in Africa could tell more about what's happening with Wagner, citing local sources. At some point, I thought about starting a weekly newsletter myself, here on Friendica (because you can send posts via email too!) about whatever happened in the previous week in my country. I sadly couldn't beat my laziness to do it, though, so I'm also posting my photos from time to time instead. Guess that also gives a glimpse into the life here.
  • Be stubborn. Keep using the Fediverse no matter what. Seek more information about how the Fediverse works and let people know about it. It is hard, indeed. But it's a sure way to get people here. Talk about it to your friends, invite them to your server, show them how it is cooler than the centralized social media platforms, lurk on places like lemmy.world/c/fediverse, @fediversenews@piefed.com, r/fediverse, r/Mastodon, maybe even help newbies out there if needed. When I joined the fediverse a while back I thought it would be this interesting, FOSS, federated stuff that I'm gonna access once in a while to check what's new. Instead, Elmo brought people here, and I'm also here almost daily, commenting stuff from random people I find online like you 😁


Keep in mind that we're talking about a 10 mln. people population here (give or take), so what you post can only get you so far. It sucks, but it is what it is. That's half the population of my country and the number of users on Facebook alone. The other 10 mln. stay in part on TikTok (or DobiTok how we call it after the last elections) or other platforms. In time, I do hope this place will grow and diversify enough.

in reply to Cătă

@petrescatraian

I applaud your perseverance with the #Fediverse, but this isn’t about your tenacity, or of mine.

I am pointing out that the present architecture and social makeup of the Fediverse ensures that it will remain the online equivalent of a cozy white suburban neighbourhood.

Some may say there’s nothing wrong with that; I already received replies to that effect. I suppose that too is a legitimate viewpoint.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

@petrescatraian

At some level, this is about conflicting visions of what the Fediverse ought to be.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

@petrescatraian

And in that context, I would add

union.place/@feralthoughts/114…

in reply to Feral Thoughts

@Feral Thoughts It's a complicated topic indeed. The vast majority of the Fediverse stands against racism, so if you find any racist content feel free to report it, as the mods should take care of it. There is no platform that can be non-racist from a technical standpoint without greatly infringing everyone's speech (including people using other languages, as one word might be bad for one language and inoffensive for the other, and vice versa), but at least we can be better at moderating the speech of the users than other platforms that are outright not even trying any more nowadays (*ahem* Xitter, Meta *ahem*). Probably AI will be the solution for this issue as well in the future, or probably there will be a better automated system in any way, but we as humans haven't been able to come up with anything better in this regard yet.

I, for one, am no technician in any sort of way, but I welcome any folks, of any skin tone, of any nationality, that joins the Fediverse, as long as they are being respectful towards others in their speech by any means possible (sorry, Kanye West, you're not welcome).

Regarding:

Black and brown folks have no reason to undertake the Sisyphean task of pushing the #Fediverse up the hill of egalitarianism

The Fediverse sadly is not owned by a single entity, commercial or otherwise. It is just a collection of server software, all communicating with each other. That software can have an entity behind it, though, and they can promote it, individually. What this leads to is smaller projects (i.e. Akkoma/Pleroma or *key forks for microblogging) being less influential than bigger software like Mastodon, despite the former being probably more fitting for a certain category of people than the latter (including, maybe, in moderation).

Now getting back to the diversification topic, given how the state of things are, I don't know how this will be fixed quicker than by offering free internet access to developing nations or whatever other predatory unethical tactic. There are some projects ongoing, like the fedidevs starter packs platform or hashtags like #FollowFriday or others - but you have to be aware of them for them to be accessible to you.

So again, there's not a single solution for onboarding the fedizens and keeping them on the platform. I really don't know. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful than that.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

@EdwinG been trying to follow more accounts from the #Philippines, and it’s definitely been a challenge. I’m never so sure if there are indeed very few users or it’s just that my server is mostly federating with North American and France servers.

I experience the same thing on a totally different topic. Formula 1. It’s a very European sport and I barely see any content because my French Canadian server isn’t connected to lots of UK or other Europeans servers (beside France)

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@jerome @EdwinG

That's precisely the point---on the Fediverse, it's impossible to know if you are not finding relevent global south (or other low visibility) users/posts, or if they simply do not exist.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

@EdwinG yeah it sometimes feels too defederated. At the same time, the Bluesky alternative of a single firehose is just so big that almost nobody can self host. I’m not so sure what the ideal scenario or solution is.

Self host and choose relays of what you think is the most relevant to you?

in reply to Jérôme

@jerome @EdwinG

Maybe.

But how does it differ from today's situation of several relays, each with a partial view of the Fediverse?

Maybe we need special relays focussed on global south servers. Or maybe existing relays should go out of their way to index those servers. Ultimately, all such solutions will boil down to social dynamics.

Unless a significant section of the existing global-north-heavy user base actively wants it to happen, it won't happen.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

@jerome
Relays are configured by the instance’s admin... Posts are pushed to the relay’s inbox; not pulled from the instance. So the second suggestion doesn’t really work with the current implementation.

Regional relays are a reasonable solution I think. There are already country-centric relays… so it’s definitely doable.

in reply to Edwin G.

@EdwinG @jerome

This is an important discussion.

What do you think could be done to make the #GlobalSouth more visible on #Mastodon and the #Fediverse?

@FediTips

in reply to Squads

@squads @EdwinG @jerome

This is what Groups are for, if you post to a group it goes to everyone who follows the group no matter what server they are on:

fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on…

Groups are like "super hashtags".

About the general topic of the global south, there need to be a lot more servers managed by people from the global south. For example paktodon.asia is doing a great job but we need more of them.

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in reply to Fedi.Tips

@FediTips @squads @EdwinG @jerome

The paucity of global south servers ultimately boils down

union.place/@feralthoughts/114…

and

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and

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

@FediTips @squads @EdwinG @jerome

Also: (global south or other low visibility) users/topics on even global north servers get invisiblized.

union.place/@feralthoughts/114…

That’s something that needs to be addressed, I feel.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

@FediTips @squads @EdwinG @jerome

As for groups, I agree they are great for people who will pro-actively work towards curating their feed; but an overwhelming majority of the global south, and maybe even of the global north, simply do not have the bandwidth for that.

Life is really miserable for a hell of a lot of people. For them, getting federated social media working is way way down the priority list. It may not even be there.

ps: I value and appreciate your work.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

@squads @EdwinG @jerome

It's as easy to use a group as it is to use a hashtag.

"For them, getting federated social media working is way way down the priority list."

I am not in the global south, but the effect of centralised social media on the global south is horrific:

thebureauinvestigates.com/stor…

theguardian.com/technology/202…

amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/…

These are caused by corrupt centralised social media. Either it needs to be extremely heavily regulated or it needs to be replaced.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@FediTips @squads @EdwinG @jerome

That corporations are unscrupulous and will do everything and anything to maximize profits, I have no argument with.

But do not mislead yourself about "cause" vs "convenient tool". If non-corporate, federated social media was as widespread as FB in those places, then it would have been used to facilitate the same atrocities.

Social media overwhelmingly reflects existing social pathologies, it does not play as big a role in creating them as critics believe.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

", then it would have been used to facilitate the same atrocities."

I don't agree with this at all.

The ratio of moderators to users on the Fediverse is something like 100 times better than on Facebook etc. There is typically a human for every 1000 users.

Commercial social networks have barely any moderators. To match the Fediverse's ratio Facebook would need literally millions of moderators, but that would make them financially unviable.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@FediTips

If/when the Fedi grows, and becomes socially influential in any of our massively unequal societies; the established powers will rush in, and drive it towards centralization. Or force it to shrink back to its original tiny, socially irrelevant size.

You cannot assume linear scaling, you cannot assume that today’s tiny Fediverse, already flawed in many ways, will scale up without changing character.

This will be as much the case for the global north Fedi as the global south Fedi.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

The Fedi right now is far, far larger than before 2022 (when Musk bought Twitter).

The structure of the Fedi where the servers are owned by thousands of grassroots people means we can ignore corporations if we choose to. That didn't change with the surge in 2022, and Mastodon's software developers were offered VC money in 2022 but they turned it down.

We mustn't obey in advance by assuming that corporations will control everything. An alternative is possible and exists here.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@FediTips

I am not obeying in advance, or assuming anything about corporations. Nor am I cynical about the possibilities of change.

I know about mass defederation of gab.com and truth.social. But you have to remember that the Fedi is still tiny, in terms of user base and interactions. It just isn't relevant enough for truly powerful forces to expend resources sufficient to subdue it.

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in reply to Feral Thoughts

"Social media overwhelmingly reflects existing social pathologies, it does not play as big a role in creating them as critics believe."

This isn't true. Media can play a key role in causing genocide. For example:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_T%…

Facebook etc are allowing lots of RTLMs to exist because they don't moderate properly, and especially don't give a shit about people in the global south.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@FediTips

RTLM was literally planned and launched by some of the people who went on to execute the genocide in Rwanda.

If the Fediverse is big, a group like that will launch their own server, and use all legal and extra-legal measures to ensure they become the dominant one. And remember that in an environment fertile for hate, a large number of people will voluntarily join such a server.

The Fedi doesn't exist in a vacuum, it cannot remain immune to social forces.

in reply to Feral Thoughts

"If the Fediverse is big, a group like that will launch their own server, and use all legal and extra-legal measures to ensure they become the dominant one."

We already saw this attempted with gab.com in 2019 and every server blocked them. They eventually left because no one would federate with them.

The main app Tusky rickrolled people who tried to use their app with Gab:

github.com/tuskyapp/Tusky/issu…

Don't obey in advance. Don't assume defeat in advance. We are not powerless.

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@FediTips

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@FediTips

I am not obeying in advance, or assuming anything about corporations. Nor am I cynical about the possibilities of change.

I know about mass defederation of gab.com and truth.social. But you have to remember that the Fedi is still tiny, in terms of user base and interactions. It just isn't relevant enough for truly powerful forces to expend resources sufficient to subdue it.

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