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Our commitment to the fediverse is here to stay.

We are working on a solution to ensure our continued presence on your feeds, taking full advantage of Mastodon's identity portability.

And we are even growing the team behind our Mastodon presence, increasing efforts to engage with your comments on our posts.

We are fully committed to being a real part of the conversation in the fediverse.

Interested in our next steps? Follow us as we take on this new chapter.

in reply to European Commission

You don't seem to have posted the problem before, so what is it that requires a solution?
in reply to Cr0ydon

@croydon
They can't seem to find anyone willing to maintain a server.
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in reply to nexus II

@vasto @croydon they can't seem to find anyone willing to pay for maintaining a single server. Priorities.
in reply to Flo

@desperadoduck @vasto How many Mastodon servers can we finance if we stop the EU Parliament from moving between Strasbourg and Brussels?

Sorry, could absolutely not resist 😂

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in reply to European Commission

It seems as if you are migrating from #Mastodon towards another platform.

Which #Fediverse option are you considering‽ #WordPress with the #ActivityPub plugin enabled‽

Depending on the host, that would be a less expensive option.

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@rysiek
Oooh, interesting option! They could move their existing accounts to a third party server... not as great as their own server obviously, but much better than just deleting the accounts.

And it means if they bring the server back at some point they can move the accounts back there. The social graph would be preserved.

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in reply to FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

@FediThing @rysiek But not their toots and their discussions! The EU instance needs to be preserved, this is beyond ridiculous!

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in reply to Carlos Solís

@csolisr the problem is with identifiers. A post needs to be uniquely identifiable across the network. Apparently that's highly non-trivial in AP.

@EU_Commission @frumble @FediThing

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@rysiek @csolisr @FediThing Btw: It’s possible even with Mastodon to import toots to an account. But you have to patch the Mastodon server: https://social.luca.run/@luca/112115854466185937

Still, you would lose all attached discussion threads.


@ErikUden @guerda @svenja Ja, Inhalt hat dann den gleichen Zeitstempel.
Originalpost: https://det.social/@luca/109559157244375603
Importierter Post: https://social.luca.run/@luca/109559157272902502

Kurzbeschreibung
1. Mastodon-Instanz wird so modifiziert, dass die API einen Zeitstempel als zusätzliche Information akzeptiert und wenn ein Post mit einem expliziten Zeitstempel erstellt wird, wird die Föderation übersprungen (Beitrag kann von anderen Instanzen abgefragt werden, aber wird nicht wie sonst nach dem Erstellen gepusht. Wird der Post später geboostet, wird er normal gepusht.)
2. Die API/Request-Limits werden höher gestellt, damit man nicht ständig warten muss.
3. Es wird in der neuen Mastodon Instanz eine App angelegt. Etwa mit dem Namen "Imported from alte.instanz/@alter_name" (das steht dann auf der Website unter den Posts)
4. Die alten Beiträge werden über die API wie neue Beiträge erstellt. Lediglich mit dem Zusatz des Zeitstempels. Dafür wird der Datenexport aus der vorherigen Instanz genutzt.

Was verloren geht
- Interaktionen von anderen (Boosts, Replys, etc.)
- URLs
- Content Notices (hatte ich zu wenige, weshalb ich die manuell angepasst habe; Code könnte erweitert werden, damit das automatisch passiert)
- Spracheinstellungen, falls sie nicht "de" ode "en" sind (ich hatte keine anderen).

Threads bleiben erhalten, wenn der Code in einem durchläuft (IDs werden nur in einer Variable masto_dict gespeichert, weshalb bei einem erneuten Durchlauf der Code nicht weiß, welcher Post an welchen drangehängt werden muss). Bildbeschreibungen werden auch übernommen.

Der Code ist nicht besonders robust, weil ich ihn in erster Linie für mich geschrieben habe.


in reply to FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

Accounts from institutions like EU Commission should be in at least public servers. It would be hard to understand to expose those to moderation and maintenance from a private and personal administrator. That’s precisely the situation with privative social network tools such as X, threads and so on, although in that case at least you can argue that is necessary for the people network…
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in reply to Andrés Monroy-Hernández

@andresmh EU instances are being shut down on the 18th of May apparently:
https://mstdn.social/@EDPS@social.network.europa.eu/112336515017671681


Two years ago, #EDPS embarked on a pioneering journey launching a pilot project of two decentralised social media platforms: #EUVoice & #EUVideo.

18 May will mark the end of the project. Time to review the results of this successful story.

Read Press Release https://europa.eu/!yJqDgK


in reply to European Commission

I live in the United States, and this is cool to see.

I hope our government figures out they don’t have to rely on private social media companies if they don’t want to.

in reply to European Commission

DE:
Wäre schon, wenn diese Bekenntnis zu dezentralen Diensten und Open-Source auch in anderen Bereichen Eingang finden würde, der Büro-IT öffentlicher Institutionen insbesondere!
EN:
It would be great if this commitment to decentralized services and open source would also find its way into other areas, especially the office IT of public institutions!
#ITSouveränität #foss #opensource #ITSovereignty

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in reply to European Commission

So you've really got a team working full-time just on mastodon/fediverse post writing.

Then stop hiring since some of them are overload!

Your posts are interesting though.

in reply to European Commission

How does your announcement connect with these articles about EU institutions run by the European Date Protection Supervisor to be shut down in May?

https://netzpolitik.org/2024/mastodon-and-peertube-eu-closing-up-shop-in-fediverse-because-nobody-wants-to-run-servers/

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in reply to Corinna Balkow

@coba it's a direct response to an EDPS public announcement from earlier today, which indicated that the project with official EU Fediverse servers would end: https://www.edps.europa.eu/press-publications/press-news/press-releases/2024/edps-decentralised-social-media-pilot-end-successful-story_en

It seems to indicate that the commission will take over. Which makes sense - the project ends with a huge success, so the EU institutions should naturally want to continue the good development.

in reply to European Commission

Thank goodness! And yes, please stay here in the democratic part of social nets!
in reply to European Commission

Please create channels for all languages of the European Union. Pick up people directly instead of just posting in English.
in reply to European Commission

No money to pay a cloud instance?
Don't you already have an IT service for your daily work?
in reply to European Commission

I really hope you're staying in Mastodon and communicating directly with your citizens.
in reply to European Commission

https://23.social/@ordnung/111782557538356609
in reply to European Commission

You are awesome ♡ i am very thankful for all the provided information!
in reply to European Commission

Hope that whatever platform software you choose, you have your own instance, setting the lead for other governments’ social presence.
in reply to European Commission

Please don't tell me this is a prelude for a total move to threads...
in reply to European Commission

this is a good source of EU news for me, thank you for working on keeping it going 🫰
in reply to European Commission

Good to hear, saw some other confusing and disappointing messages today!

https://www.edps.europa.eu/press-publications/press-news/press-releases/2024/edps-decentralised-social-media-pilot-end-successful-story

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in reply to xs4me2

@xs4me2 it is good that they will move their account to some other server, but a government body should ideally be run at a government run server, not some third party. What funds are needed to make social.network.europa.eu continue to work? All this talk about independence becomes and then this…
in reply to European Commission

This is a heartening promise.

I hope that the final setup will be a server run by one of the EU institutions, with accounts for all the different bodies and - why not - staff of the EU organs.

in reply to European Commission

I'm glad to hear that!

I must say, though, that I'm having a hard time trying to make this announcement consistent with the one from @EDPS : they mentioned an issue keeping the server and service at the "high standards that EUIs and our users deserve" but you talk about moving somewhere else so I'm kind of wondering how a 3rd party could meet these standards...

@EDPS
in reply to European Commission

That's nothing else than a clear downgrade.
Going from most important:
1. Closed-registration server in europa.eu domain was a better guarantee of profile authenticity than looking for the green bars in profiles on some random public instances. We're talking about one of the biggest orgs in the world.
2. Theses profiles will be dependent on third-party admins for moderation, accessibility etc.
3. I don't believe every profile will move. I suspect we'll loose some in the process.
in reply to European Commission

The fact that you'd have to close your dedicated instance is pretty sad though.
in reply to European Commission

instead of staging a technology example, which is known to work in general but have some flaws, wouldn't it be most straightforward to just continue operation of the existing and established servers?
in reply to European Commission

c'es super cool in en val le coup Vivaldi et formidable et sais du sérieux sais réseaux sociaux aussi vraiment
in reply to European Commission

Good to read that you are committed! I just hope you don't let the current EU Mastodon instance disappear and switch to another generic one. That would be a huge setback for your reliability and recognisability. Besides, old posts don't move with you and all other EU organisations also need to find a new home in the #fediverse. So can you make sure the current EU instance keeps spinning? Seems like a no-brainer although you might have to take some bureaucratic hurdles…

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in reply to cwtshycwtsh

@cwtshycwtsh

Could you piss off to Xitter? Your attitude is what many people were trying to avoid here.

in reply to European Commission

Hopefully you will do so on one of your own domains. And invite the other EU institutions and agencies to do so too. Having your own domain (rather than using mastodon.social or twitter.com) means we all can be certain that you are who you say you are. Organisations should run their own instances, or use their websites to also share to ActivityPub. My organisation does, my website does. Let the EC lead by example!
in reply to European Commission

You do know the monthly costs of running a single Mastodon server are a fraction of the handwaving implied by this single post, do you?
in reply to European Commission

Better than identity portability would be finding a way to keep your current server operating for you and all the other official EU accounts using it.
in reply to European Commission

That's great to hear, that the @EU_Commission is here to stay in the #Fediverse. After the prolongued pilot by the @EDPS

https://www.edps.europa.eu/press-publications/press-news/press-releases/2024/edps-decentralised-social-media-pilot-end-successful-story_en

in reply to European Commission

You should do a press release immediately to not shutdown the servers, as posted by @EDPS in may and furthermore you should commit to a long time financing the servers, also after the elections. Otherwise all will think you post a commitment now and forget about it after the election.

Be sure there are lot of people out there watching you, handling decentralized open source projects and your response to https://www.edps.europa.eu/press-publications/press-news/press-releases/2024/european-commissions-use-microsoft-365-infringes-data-protection-law-eu-institutions-and-bodies_en .

EU citizens are interested in your decision

@EDPS
in reply to European Commission

please contiue your usage of this server. I think it would also be really interesting if you could conside to post simultanously in different language. Thanks!
in reply to European Commission

Go Europe Go!

Commitment to open systems can only be shown. Talk is cheap. 🫡

in reply to European Commission

There is a lot of work waiting for us humans. But what is considered as work is highly up to us humans.
in reply to European Commission

FTR - an account on threads.net is NOT a solution, IMHO. The better solution is to use a minimal part of the money you spend on blockchain projects to keep the instance you are on alive. ;)
in reply to European Commission

@EU_Commission this is absolutely bad. There's so much money wasted every day within the European Parliament. Maintaining a Mastodon server should be peanuts. Damnit!
in reply to European Commission

Die Botschaft hör ich wohl, allein mir fehlt der Glaube.

Eine Mastodon-Instanz mit accounts nach dem Schema
@​account@commission.europa.eu aufzusetzen (oder halt die vorhandene zu übernehmen ggf. zentralisierter umzubenennen und redirects zu bauen) ist vielleicht anspruchsvoll, aber sicher nicht komplett unmöglich.
Ein Konzept für die Moderation ist evtl. schwieriger und mit Minen versetzt.
Aber das Ganze vor dem 18. zu schaffen? Ich weiss nicht…

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in reply to European Commission

Hello @EU_Commission Hello please move your feed to @eupolicy.social and thus keep going on Mastodon. We are a small group of volunteers, including one from the EDPS and me from the @EU_Commission, running this server. It costs you nothing and it is run to highest data protection and security standards.
in reply to Paul Nemitz

@Paul Nemitz Can you elaborate on the massive miscommunication of EDPS and Commission in this case? Are we seeing malicious intent? And if not, then how do they want to govern the EU if they are unable to maintain a simple Fediverse server or start planning early enough to solve the question of how to continue running it after time period x ends?

😵‍💫

in reply to European Commission

Now if only we can get every other government on the fediverse.
in reply to European Commission

is nice to see, that the eu comes moreon the fediverse. maybe is good
way for another eu parts
in reply to European Commission

I have to admit that, as you set an example, we have quite big expectations here !
in reply to European Commission

👍

Please don't always think in projects with fixed time-span / scope. Topics like these need sustainable funding and people building knowledge maintaining and moderating these solutions. If you skip the usual firms selling IT solutions many levels deep it's mere peanuts in terms of the budget...

in reply to European Commission

I couldn't care less.

First you broke the internet and now you even fucked my iPhone. 🤬

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in reply to European Commission

Please, do so. Ir‘s important to show that user-focused and privacy-friendly platforms do work. As an institution you should walk the talk and give credibility to your assumed digital policies.
in reply to European Commission

- I helped to set up displayeurope.social (Mastodon) and displayeurope.video (PeerTube) showcasing European topics in 15 languages (translated at least on the portal page displayeurope.eu). Do not hesitate to get back to @fairkom (or me) if you require professional support for #fediverse #hosting of just for migrating some accounts or video channels.