@Kagi HQ is the very interesting project for a paid search engine, without tracers and with an accuracy in identifying results such as to exclude all Google spam.
Those who believe that #Kagi's costs are too high, should reflect on a small detail: if Google lets all those searches be done "for free", who pays those costs? The answer might seem simple: "advertisers".
Yet this would be an incomplete answer: like saying that rain is caused by clouds!
In reality, those costs are paid by users, by being milked and letting Google extract their "value", a bit like in the human farm in Matrix...
Hello, Fediverse! We're Kagi, and we're on a mission to create a friendlier, more human-centric internet that has the users' best interest in mind.
Our core product is a search engine that is ad-free, tracking-free, and fully supported by our users. We've worked hard to deliver a high-quality, fast, and reliable search experience without compromising user privacy: kagi.com/
I've tested kagi and agree that the search results are great. What I don't like is that it's making anonymous searching impossible, since I have to be logged in to use it (or use my unique token as part of the url for mobile searches).
Ultimately this means to me that in a private window mode (or even logged out with a fingerprinting resistant browser) I do not have the same degree of anonymity I enjoy even when using Google, let alone DDG or others.
I like the idea of not being dependent on google, but exposing my entire search history to one single entity is not my answer of choice.
I subscribed to the lower tier for a while, but I kept running out of searches early on every month, and the price of the higher tier is just not excusable. So I found myself adding the !ddg bang most of the time to avoid spending my Kagi quota.
And as good as Kagi is, it's still primarily a meta search engine, organizing results from the dominant actors. So it's not like the price is justified by them having to crawl the entire web themselves. Their own crawler, Teclis, is currently small web only and can probably best be described as an interesting project.
Instead of making search cheaper or more affordable, they spend subscription money on creating AI services and various other non-search distractions. Maybe that's good for some people, but I don't want that shit. I just want a good search engine at a justifiable price. And for that, sadly, Kagi fell short.
Mastodon posts tend to get funky when they federate, because Mastodon has this (annoying) norm of starting posts with mentions. So OP mentioned the community on the first line, which became the first part of the title - @fediverse. Second, it mentions Kagi as a tag instead of name, which gives the @kagihq. And then comes the first sentence as the rest of the title.
It's a great example of Lemmy/Mastodon interoperability working, but not being quite there yet.
Mastodon posts tend to get funky when they federate, because Mastodon has this (annoying) norm of starting posts with mentions. So OP mentioned the community on the first line, which became the first part of the title - @Fediverse. Second, it mentions Kagi as a tag instead of name, which gives the @kagihq. And then comes the first sentence as the rest of the title.
I'm not writing from Mastodon, but from Friendica
It's a great example of Lemmy/Mastodon interoperability working, but not being quite there yet.
The mentions problem seems to be only for PieFed, but it doesn't happen with Lemmy
I think it should be reported as an issue to PieFed developers
I can only speak for myself, but I like to keep posted when important people and organizations are opening accounts on the Fediverse. 😀
It's funny that Kagi included "fediverse forums" functionality in their search before they decided to join Mastodon - one would think the search functionality required a bit more.
I pay 5 euros for a VPS at Hetzner and self host my own SearXNG metasearch engine without compromising my privacy. Unlike Kagi, I can search without limits and without the AI stuff that even Kagi has started getting into.
Kagi lied about its privacy claims and I can pull up the thread about the user who exposed it & the CEO got into this ridiculous evasion over it but I’ll let you do it for me. KAGI SUCKS 💥
The number of searches i get for the $5 should roll over to the next month if i dont use them all. No way i will be able to convince anyone to switch to this when they will run out of searches every month
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in reply to Cybersecurity & cyberwarfare • • •I've tested kagi and agree that the search results are great. What I don't like is that it's making anonymous searching impossible, since I have to be logged in to use it (or use my unique token as part of the url for mobile searches).
Ultimately this means to me that in a private window mode (or even logged out with a fingerprinting resistant browser) I do not have the same degree of anonymity I enjoy even when using Google, let alone DDG or others.
I like the idea of not being dependent on google, but exposing my entire search history to one single entity is not my answer of choice.
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in reply to viking • •@viking you are right: this is a serious criticality. However, Kagi aims to provide an optimal search service, but it is not focused on anonymity.
From that point of view, Brave's search engine is much better, which has improved a lot
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in reply to Cybersecurity & cyberwarfare • • •I subscribed to the lower tier for a while, but I kept running out of searches early on every month, and the price of the higher tier is just not excusable. So I found myself adding the !ddg bang most of the time to avoid spending my Kagi quota.
And as good as Kagi is, it's still primarily a meta search engine, organizing results from the dominant actors. So it's not like the price is justified by them having to crawl the entire web themselves. Their own crawler, Teclis, is currently small web only and can probably best be described as an interesting project.
Instead of making search cheaper or more affordable, they spend subscription money on creating AI services and various other non-search distractions. Maybe that's good for some people, but I don't want that shit. I just want a good search engine at a justifiable price. And for that, sadly, Kagi fell short.
Teclis - Non-commercial Web Search
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Unknown parent • • •Mastodon posts tend to get funky when they federate, because Mastodon has this (annoying) norm of starting posts with mentions. So OP mentioned the community on the first line, which became the first part of the title - @fediverse. Second, it mentions Kagi as a tag instead of name, which gives the @kagihq. And then comes the first sentence as the rest of the title.
It's a great example of Lemmy/Mastodon interoperability working, but not being quite there yet.
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I'm not writing from Mastodon, but from Friendica
The mentions problem seems to be only for PieFed, but it doesn't happen with Lemmy
I think it should be reported as an issue to PieFed developers
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in reply to willya • • •I can only speak for myself, but I like to keep posted when important people and organizations are opening accounts on the Fediverse. 😀
It's funny that Kagi included "fediverse forums" functionality in their search before they decided to join Mastodon - one would think the search functionality required a bit more.
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in reply to Cybersecurity & cyberwarfare • • •Unlike Kagi, I can search without limits and without the AI stuff that even Kagi has started getting into.
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in reply to Cybersecurity & cyberwarfare • • •It seems you're right - the title field from Friendica doesn't federate well to PieFed. So I probably misinterpreted the confusion about the title. 😀
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