Instead of algorithms why don't we create a map of Lemmy? lemmy.world/post/19421051 submitted by Danterious to fediverse8 points | 10 commentscross-posted from: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/27216373
Instead of focusing of creating good algorithms to push certain content to users why donโt we focus on creating a good map that allows users to find the kind of content they want more easily? I found this website that created a map of reddit with different countries for different topics an
@RaccoonForFriendica nuova versione 0.1.0-alpha19 appena rilasciata! Nuove funzioni: supporto sperimentale ai messaggi diretti, uno degli aspetti piรน interessanti e forse meno conosciuti di questa piattaforma. Come sempre, se qualcuno ha voglia di provare e di darmi feedback, tenendo conto che รจ pur sempre un'alpha, contattatemi su Matrix, oppure mandate direttamente un DM su Friendica ora che si puรฒ ๐๐๐ฆ #friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #opensource #kotlin #kmp #compose #livefasteattrash
Meglio utilizzare la 0.1.0-alpha20 in cui ho apportato alcune correzioni, specialmente per evitare di inviare erroneamente dei messaggi destinati a un account che non si segue.
Il prossimo obiettivo, per chi se lo stesse chiedendo, รจ la gestione della media gallery (creazione, modifica e cancellazione di foto e album) con possibilitร di inserire nei post come allegato un'immagine giร presente nella gallery. Vediamo nel weekend quanto tempo riesco a trovare ๐
"Non c'รจ quindi solo un interesse socioeconomico dietro la โcultura dell'inculturaโ, ma una genuina mancanza di apprezzamento per la stessa, se non per un'inerzia mentale che andrร a sparire completamente nel giro di un'altra generazione."
Profitez des vidรฉos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
devi fargli avere un milione dei nostri petroiENI tuoi amici tramite bin salman come compenso per aver sfasciato la sinistra e, con una legge elettorale golpista, averti fatto andare al governo!
Bluesky continues to soar techcrunch.com/2024/09/03/blueโฆ submitted by blue_berry to fediverse13 points | 3 commentshttps://techcrunch.com/2024/09/03/bluesky-continues-to-soar-adding-2m-more-new-users-in-a-matter-of-days/
As new users downloaded the app, Bluesky jumped to becoming the app to No. 1 in Brazil over the weekend, ahead of Meta's X competitor, Instagram Threads.
Dal 9 settembre 2024 parte l'attivazione della carta Dedicata a te da 500 euroย per l'acquisto di beni alimentari di prima necessitร , carburante e abbonamenti ai trasporti pubblici. Per ottenere la social card non serve presentare domanda online.
Ora vedremo se quelli pronti a chiamare antisemiti i ragazzini che chiedono pace, giustizia e diritti umani a Gaza alzeranno un sopracciglio per il neonazismo che monta in Germania, o apriranno la sagra delle supercazzole.
@fingerprint รจ neonazismo lโestremismo di destra tedesco tanto quanto รจ neofascismo lโestremismo di destra italiano. La cosa buona รจ che entrambi hanno radici culturali molto superficiali, perchรฉ in caso contrario avrebbero orrore di se stessi, e quindi per sconfiggerli basta una azione sociale leggermente piรน incisiva di quella che fanno i finti argini al neonazismo e al neofascismo limitandosi a dire โvota me perchรฉ sono democraticoโ, mentre fanno comunque politiche spregevoli.
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Avete amici e parenti che vi bloccano per ore parlando dei loro problemi? Chiudete subito la conversazione mandando loro questo schema. Problema risolto. Aspetta... allora anche questo รจ un problema. Quindi dovrei mandarmi da solo lo schema? Ci penso. #tartapazzo #soluzioni #schemicomodi #haiunproblema? #ciapaloschema #cani #cana #eanchegatti
Vuoi invitare qualcuno su Poliversity? Alla pagina poliversity.it/invites puoi generare un link d'invito!
Ma la differenza tra inviare un link d'invito e inviare il link di iscrizione standard poliversity.it/auth/sign_up รจ che con il link d'invito l'utente invitato saprร che รจ il tuo account ad averlo invitato.
Tuttavia sappi che anche noi amministratori lo sapremo.
Pertanto, se non vuoi farci sapere che un certo utente l'hai invitato tu, non usare i link d'invito! ๐
Poliversity รจ una comunitร dedicata alla ricerca scientifica e al giornalismo, all'universitร e all'istruzione ed รจ nata per promuovere il diritto alla conoscenza e la corretta informazione
@ nuova versione rilasciata 0.1.0-alpha18! Si tratta principalmente di una bugfix release, che contiene miglioramenti di layout, la visualizzazione della versione con blur delle immagini durante il caricamento, la propagazione degli eventi di aggiornamento di post/utenti tra le schermate, la possibilitร di aggiungere un nuovo account direttamente dal bottom sheet di gestione, la distinzione tra cerchie modificabili e predefinite, piรน una nuova schermata con le informazioni sull'istanza corrente (accessibile dal menu laterale). Nei prossimi giorni: gestione dei messaggi diretti (specifica di Friendica). #friendica#friendicadev#androidapp#androiddev#fediverseapp#opensource#kotlin#kmp#compose #livefasteattrash
@veneto group oggi, con un collega veneto, abbiamo dovuto spiegare a chi veniva da fuori regione il significato dell'espressione "pian col fajร n che ลa poลenta x'รฉ poca". Da vicentino, ammetto di aver sentito questo modo di dire solo da adulto, dopo essermi trasferito a Padova. Chiedo pertanto a voi: in quali province รจ diffuso questo modo di dire? Sono cresciuto in una bolla e magari si diceva anche dalle mie parti, senza che io me ne rendessi conto, oppure รจ davvero un'espressione locale (che perรฒ dal tono e dal contesto รจ comprensibile a chiunque)?
Perchรฉ i partiti di destra funzionano cosรฌ bene sui social? Perchรฉ danno al popolo esattamente ciรฒ che vogliono quando sono sui social: essere arrabbiati con qualcuno. E gli algoritmi incentivano proprio questo.
Nello stato federale tedesco del #Thuringia ha vinto l'ultra-destra dell'#AfD specialmente con l'aiuto dei giovani 18-24 anni, un'inversione a U del trend degli ultimi anni che vedeva questa fascia d'etร progressista e verde.
Pavel Durov, fondatore di Telegram, ammette di aver collaborato con i servizi segreti francesi, sollevando dubbi sull'indipendenza e la riservatezza della piattaforma. Scopri come questa rivelazione potrebbe influenzare il futuro di Telegram
Results show the far-right AfD winning the election in Thuringia and coming a close second in Saxony. The votes in the two German states are seen as a barometer for the federal election next year.
Results show the far-right AfD winning the election in Thuringia and coming a close second in Saxony. The votes in the two German states are seen as a barometer for the federal election next year. DW has more.
Buongiorno a tutti! Grazie a molti di voi, Poliversity รจ diventata la sesta istanza mastodon italiana con piรน utenti attivi, benchรฉ il numero complessivo di utenti sia poco piรน alto.
Per evitare la presenza di bot, utenti inattivi o che non ricordano piรน di essersi iscritti provvediamo a una pulizia periodica degli account inattivi.
"Vogliamo utenti veri e pubblicazioni vere: utenti che neanche si presentano, saranno eliminati; il crossposting da twitter รจ deprecato. Le pubblicazioni automatizzate sono accettate solo se presidiate. Gli utenti non attivi da piรน di sei mesi potranno essere eliminati senza preavviso"
Poliverso รจ la piรน grande istanza italiana di Friendica. I fondi raccolti verranno utilizzati per finanziare la manutenzione di poliverso.org (friendica), di poliversity.it โฆ
@kathsone no, perchรฉ il fediverso รจ pieno di bot, di crawler, di profili duplicati e io non spendo soldi per tenere in piedi un server di bot.
Inoltre gli utenti che non si connettono da piรน di sei mesi quasi sicuramente si sono dimenticati di avere un account che probabilmente hanno aperto con un'email secondaria che non guardano mai.
Eliminare il loro account, dopo un paio di tentativi di contattarli, รจ un bene anche per loro, per i loro dati personali e per me che li gestisco!
@Trames Mi fa piacere che sia stato apprezzato, considerando anche che poi alla fine la presentazione del proprio profilo costituisce anche un vantaggio per sรฉ stessi e per il proprio ingresso nel fediverso perchรฉ aiuta a farsi conoscere e contestualizza la propria presenza all'interno del social
ร possibile iscriversi a Poliversity o in generale ad un'altra istanza di Mastodon mantenendo il proprio "account" @mastodon.social? Ho giร un altro "account" @mastodon.uno. Non so se ho usato la terminologia corretta. Scusa. Sto cercando di capire come funziona Mastodon ma ho qualche difficoltร . Grazie.
@robertanegrelli puoi certamente iscriverti a tutte le istanze che preferisci. Tieni conto perรฒ che iscrivendoti a due istanze con lo stesso software, o differenzi in maniera significativa i due account, usando per esempio in un caso la lingua italiana e nell'altro la lingua inglese, oppure alla fine tenderai a usare solo uno dei due account
@robertanegrelli In alternativa, puoi migrare uno dei tuoi account su un account nuovo.
Un'altra possibilitร รจ provare un account aggiuntivo basato su un software diverso come per esempio Friendica. In questo caso potresti provare a iscriverti dall'istanza poliverso.org
W la Friendica (che dio la benedรจndica): la guida al Facebook del Fediverso
La guida di Informapirata a Friendica, dedicata a tutti coloro che dal Fediverso vogliono ottenere tutto il possibile.
Un Mastodon con gli steroidi e attualmente lโunica alternativa a Facebook di tutto il Fediverso. Con mille pregi e, soprattutto, mille difetti. E mai nessuno che ci spieghi come utilizzarlo.
The Fediverse is owned by the people and communities that use it. A basic server costs $5 a month all inclusive, anyone can make one. It's ad-free, made by volunteers, funded by donations, servers are independent.
BlueSky is a for-profit corporation funded by VC money. Its technical structure makes servers dependent on expensive corporate-run relays. BlueSky's business setup is eerily reminiscent of Ello: waxy.org/2024/01/the-quiet-deaโฆ
Ello launched in 2014 with big dreams, but the artsy social network suddenly shut down last year, deleting nine years of posts without warning. What happened?
Iโd started using Ello when it first became a rumor. I got an early invite and was happy with it. Some time after they started getting more users they asked the โcommunityโ what they wanted to focus on and art was the general consensus. I thought it was just fine as a general social network, but as art became the dominant matter, I moved on since writing wasnโt a part of the art scene on Ello. Oh well.
itโs kind of ingenious that theyโre offloading the costs of hosting and to lesser extent moderation onto the individual users while still reaping the benefits of a centralized feed.
Yeah, the PDS idea is neat, but what people are really using are the relays, indexers, labelers, and the apps. I can't believe how much personal data people are offering up when they subscribe to or create those custom feeds.
If it's not community-owned, it's not sustainable. Eventually VC-owned networks enshittify because the VCs want to see a return on their investment, and we end up with another Twitter/X or Meta/Facebook situation. Once they stop growing users, they start trying to squeeze more money out of each user etc etc, or else sell the company to someone awful.
The entire point of the Fediverse is to do things differently, to have slow sustainable growth so that enshittification doesn't happen.
that is a fair point, even though looking back, those types of social networks have quite a long shelf life. My sympathy for the Fediverse is very high, also for FOSS, still the "other" models are much bigger. I do not see it changing.
Seeing federation with many flavors becoming a new business model is more than interesting.
This is a false dilemma: you can have commercial alternatives that are neither VC-owned nor "community owned", and you can have plenty of profit-based service providers that will be completely happy to serve a large-but-limited number of customers.
Give me 10-15k paying customers, and I will be able to run communick forever, even taking some of the profits to reinvest into development of the underlying projects. None of the "community owned" instances can do that.
There is a world of difference between making a sustainable stable profit and taking VC money.
If you receive enough money to keep a business going, that's great. You have built a sustainable business. ๐
If you take VC money to run a business at a loss in pursuit of growth, you will eventually have to start enshittifying in order to keep the VCs happy because they're partial owners of your business now. They don't just want profit, they want growth of profit.
If you look at the Ello article linked in the original post, it goes into detail about the problems of accepting VC money.
BlueSky isn't just for-profit, it's taken VC money and will therefore have to provide VCs perpetually growing profits. This will eventually become impossible unless they enshittify.
VC money is incredibly corrosive to the online world and real life world, because it demands that everything grows all the time, it's impossible to just stay at a steady state.
Any kind of ownership model is possible on the Fediverse because it is designed to be as open as possible to anyone who wants to start a server, including individuals, non-profits, for-profits.
BlueSky is different. It has been designed to depend on corporate-owned feeds that have a much higher barrier to entry. In an interview, BS mentioned they might have ads in the future. Combined with their VC ownership, these are all the ingredients for another Meta/Facebook or Twitter/X.
I am responding to your "If it's not community-owned, it's not sustainable" statement. This is the meme that needs to die.
I'd actually think it's the opposite: aside from instances that require payment from all members, I'm yet to see any service that can call itself sustainable.
I'd mean continuing to operate over a long period without exploiting users ("enshittifying"). There are plenty of instances that have done this, some of them date back to 2016 or before.
VC-backed services tend to demand growth within such a time frame. Continuing to exist in a stable state is incompatible with VC ownership.
What about the other side of the equation? How many instances disappeared due to moderator and admin burn out?
How many instances were created by enthusiastic people who were simply not able to manage it properly and shut their instances down when got their first wave of spam? How long do you think regular folks will be willing to keep hopping around because they picked an instance ran by amateurs?
That's a totally fair point, maybe the biggest challenge for the Fediverse. I just don't think that VC is the answer to it.
VC tends to turn a service to crap while the VC people walk away with the money and don't care what happens to the service itself. They just wanted the money all along.
Again, doing things for money is not the problem and it is not something that only "evil VCs" do.
I don't expect to get food on my table out of goodwill of a "community-focused" farmer. I don't expect electric power in my home out of the community. Why should I expect social media services to be provided out of "community"?
If developers still go to VCs for funding projects, it's because "the community" is not valuing their work.
Ideally we need this to be publicly funded, and a lot of Fediverse development has been, but obviously not enough. This also doesn't cover the running of servers.
I agree we have a funding crisis for developers, but VC money is not the answer because it causes developers' work to be used to do horrible things further down the line.
Please, "public-funded" is just a masturbatory idea that only appeals to people who never created anything. Or worse, armchair analysts who refuse to put any Skin in the Game.
The bureaucracy alone would grind innovation to a halt, and if you think that corporate-controlled communication networks are bad, imagine if they were controlled by politicians.
You are stuck in the VC-community duality and refusing to acknowledge an alternative that does not require infinite growth, but does require more than feel-good promises of support.
Let me try a different approach... If VCs are not acceptable, what would be best:
- commercial providers like communick, or omg.lol, or mastodon.green (all charging 20-30 USD per year?) from all members?
- donation-based instances that historically never get to 2% of the user base to contribute?
@Liberapay thanks for the hint, good to see solutions popping up. I never came across these solutions on a Mastodon account or similar, have I overseen it?
Okay, this is just a silly coincidence: I just searched *yesterday* to find out whether Ello and Diaspora still existed (after having forgotten about them for 5+ years)
If you've been happy after having left twitter, why should you be happy to be connected to another product of Jack Dorsey, who sold a manipulative corporate medium to another manipulator, to fund his next manipulative project?
@RenewedRebecca @ArenaCops I don't know what were the terms of the later investment round, but a few months ago Jay asked about who owns the company said "me and the team", which implies that at least outside investors don't have any controlling share
I've experienced data loss and corporate manipulation enough to be thankful I put the effort in to pitch my own instance this time. It will be well worth it.
that's a minimum of R$28 per month in a country where average monthly wages are like R$ 2979 (IBGE 2023), so even a small amount to Americans and Europeans can actually be a significant amount to others based on income and exchange rates.
And a lot of fediverse servers cost waaaay more than $5 / mo to operate.
@oblomov ypu still have the moderation, learning about trust and safety, understanding community management, covering costs for your community, understanding harms and how to deal with them, legal compliance, financials, etc etc.
A lot of work goes into running any instance that's more than a few people, and anything less and you're suffering through all that alone.
@jannem @thisismissem Technical and financial burden is one thing, are we educating people about the legal burdens as well? Are people being made aware of the need to register a DMCA agent if in the US, even if merely a single-person instance? Not to mention the additional moderation and legal responsibilities for a multi-user or open sign-up instance?
Yeah, that's fair comment, and in my site's guide (growyourown.services/making-yoโฆ) have tried to emphasise there may be legal requirements in many countries especially if you're running a public server, that people should get legal advice for their jurisdiction about this topic. Also encourage people to start out on a private single user server, not a public one.
(But this isn't any easier on BlueSky or anywhere else though.)
I disagree. vivaldi.social, bbc.social, and me.dm are all part of the fediverse despite being run by corporations. Flipboard, Wordpress, Ghost, and Discourse are all part of the fediverse,
There's plenty of historical precedent for this too -- Evan Prodromou's StatusNet (which evolved into GnuSocial, the basis of the early fediverse) took VC funding in 2009. Diaspora joined YCombinator for a while. etc etc etc
Yeah, those examples you give aren't really the same thing.
On BlueSky there aren't just corporate servers, but the infrastructure itself is designed to be run by corporations. You are forced to pipe your content via corporations, in effect.
On the Fediverse, you can completely ignore or even block corporate servers, there's no need to have anything to do with them. Every server is totally independent, and connect to each other directly.
@oblomov agreed that if any of these corporate-run servers controlled the entire network that would be a different thing, but they don't, and neither does Bluesky. Flipboard controls Flipboard, Wordpress controls Wordpress.com. viviadi controls vivaldi.social. Bluesky controls bsky.social. Why do you see that as different?
@FediTips I'm suggesting that Bluesky is one of those indendent servers. People on other fediverse instances can ignore it or block it; people on Bluesky can ignore people elsewhere in the fediverse. How does that as different from people on Flipboard or Wordpress.com who are also forced to pipe their content via the corporations that run them?
And in terms of the infrastructure itself being designed to run by corporations, that's exactly why StatusNet got funding, and it was clearly considered part of the fediverse.
you either have no understanding of how BS operates or are intentionally misrepresenting the situation. The Fediverse is built on top of ActivityPub, which is a W3C standard. No corporation controls the network. BlueSky has complete control of the AT protocol, which is what it uses for federation.
The Fediverse is defined by independent interoperable projects. The AT network is defined by what BlueSky decides.
@thenexusofprivacy BTW trying to insist that BS is a Fediverse server is a misrepresentation. BlueSky does not โspeakโ ActivityPub in any shape and form. The only reason why limited communication can happen between the Fediverse and BlueSky is because some third parties have set up a bridge: that doesn't make BS part of the Fediverse any more than Twitter because of the servers bridging Twitter to Fedi
First of all I strongly disagree with the idea of equating the fediverse with ActivityPub. The fediverse existed before ActiivityPub, and has always supported multiple protocols Yes, AP's been dominant ever since Mastodon did embrace-extend-extinguish thing and replaced OStatus with AP in 2017, but history didn't end at that point.
But, even taking the AP-centric view of the fediverse, I think Bluesky qualifies as a fediverse instance. Diaspora, Flipboard, Wordpress ... none of them are built on top of AP internally, but they're all considered part of the fediverse. And yes, any instance running any software can unilaterally cut themselves off from the rest of the fediverse, either by turning off all federation or making a change at the software level (disabling a bridge or plugin, changing to a new protocol). Until that happens, though, they're part of the fediverse.
But maybe we're just viewing things differently in general, so let's calibrate:
do you think Diaspora is part of the fediverse?
what about Wordpress?
Flipboard?
Threads?
For me the answer is yes to all. (On the last one, I think the fediverse would have been better off collectively blocking Threads just like they did Gab ... but that didn't happen.). But, maybe we also see those differently!
@thenexusofprivacy I do not consider Diaspora part of the Fediverse, and AFAIK it has never been considered part of the Fediverse, even in the OStatus days. WordPress is not part of the Fediverse as such. The WordPress installations that have an enabled ActivityPub plugin are.
@thenexusofprivacy Flipboard and Threads AFAIK do not implement full bidirectional federation, and until they do they cannot be considered part of the Fediverse proper, even though they're working to join (whether this is good or bad is an entirely different matter and OT for this discussion).
BlueSky isn't part of the Fediverse *at all* because it doesn't support ActivityPub in any shape or form (and no, the bridge doesn't count any more than the Twitter bridges do).
@thenexusofprivacy What the platform uses internally is not particularly important. The degree of support for ActivityPub they strive for (and thus the effort to interoperate with the rest of the Fediverse) is.
Friendica and Hubzilla are examples of platform that are part of the Fediverse despite having their own protocols (DFRN, Zot), because they also support ActivityPub, aiming for full interoperability.
@thenexusofprivacy BlueSky has no intention to interoperate with the rest of the Fediverse. It's entirely focused on its own protocol, of which they maintain complete control, with no intention to also support ActivityPub. Hence they cannot be considered part of the Fediverse.
Thanks for the clarification, I think I understand your position now -- your criteria is full bidiretional federation currently implemented, support of ActivityPub, and not using a bridge. Is that an accurate summary?
On Diaspora, btw, opinions differ. Wikipedia, fediverse.party, and fediverse.observer all include it as part of the fedvierse; FediDB did until sometime last year (when joindiaspora shut down). But others don't see it that way.
Diaspora cannot communicate with most of the Fediverse due to lacking ActivityPub compatibility. That doesn't mean Diaspora is a bad network, it just means it's separate.
My own take is that it gets a bit difficult for new people if we use the same name ("Fediverse") for two separate incompatible networks.
It is possible to be on both though if you use Friendica.
BlueSky is its own network, it isn't part of the Fediverse.
Flipboard is a website which is part of the Fediverse, no one is forced to use it or have anything to do with it. Some publications choose to have accounts there, but they aren't forced to.
WordPress is a bit more complicated as there are two things: wordpress.com and the WordPress software. The software is free open source, anyone can install it on their own servers, they don't have to use wordpress.com.
Thanks for the response ... I guess we just see it differently. To me, both Bluesky, and Flipboard are all their own social media sites. Nobody is forced to use them or have anything do do with them. Some publications choose to have accounts there but aren't forced to. Reasnable minds differ, I guess!
@oblomov @thenexusofprivacy I agree with your analysis. Could you explain further how the BlueSky infrastructure was designed to be managed by corporations, since the AT protocol is theoretically "open"?
@skarnio @thenexusofprivacy the AT protocol is only open in the sense that others can implement it and not get sued for doing so. The protocol itself is defined by BS (and in fact, more by their implementation than any document they put out).
The AT protocol created for BlueSky depends on "relays", which are expensive to run, which in effect means corporations would run them. BS servers cannot work without being connected to these relays, so BS is effectively forcing everyone to be connected to corporations.
@oblomov @thenexusofprivacy I know, but Relays help a lot. In any case, this information that the AT protocol restricts the federation to relays is what I really want to conform to. Thanks!
These are some informal notes on setting up a full-network atproto Relay, using the bigsky relay software developed by Bluesky. This is the same software we run ourselves at https://bsky.network.
no, a self-hosted PDS is not the closest comparison to a self-hosted instance, because a self-hosted ActivityPub server is sufficient to fully join the network, a self-hosted PDS in atproto is *not*, which is exactly the point me and @FediTips have been making. atproto is designed to depend on corporate (= expensive) relays to work. A PDS alone is useless.
@oblomov @skarnio @thenexusofprivacy other products build on atproto, such as event planner smokesignal.events, skip the relay altogether and do not use the relay at all. I am not 100% sure but I think linkaggregator Frontpage.fyi skips the relay as well. So not, it is not designed to be dependent on that, it is an optimalisation part for Bluesky.
While PDSs (write access to the network) are indeed cheap, read access definitely is not, especially since the cost scales with total network activity for each reader with the current PDS and Relay features.
Not saying that it's a bad protocol per se, because there is clear demand for global indexing and singleton frontends and ActivityPub is bad at those aspects, but the protocol economics are completely prohibitive for most indie participants in terms of providing unenshittified end user access.
@skarnio @laurenshof @thenexusofprivacy there are several protocols that do things similarly, most famously SSB, that turned 10 a couple of months ago.
I've just started experimenting with hosting my own GoToSocial instance (hiiii!!!!) and it's great ... but hashtags and search only include posts from people I follow, and the federated feed is almost empty, so there's essentially no access to global conversations. So it's not a comparison.
(Although I also don't think hosting your own PDS is really an equivalent of your own instance either. There isn't really an equivalent of anything but flagship instances (a combination of AppView, Relay, and PDS) in the AT architecture.)
Yikes. I made the parent reply on my self-hosted GtS instance an hour ago ... I didn't get a notification on this account, which I thought was weird, but whatever. But then I looked at the thread and realized that the post hadn't federated here. What's with that? So just now I did a search here to see if I could find the GtS post ... and it did. At which point the notifiation showed up here as well.
wtf. Who knows if it's an AP "by design" issue, or some kind of bug, or what.
@thenexusofprivacy @nexus @laurenshof @skarnio IME this is usually due to software bugs. I've also had delayed notifications. The most ridiculous one was just yesterday, for an update to a post that happened years ago.
@nexus @laurenshof @skarnio @thenexusofprivacy search and hashtags only happen in content known to the server, and this is actually not that different in AP vs AT: the only difference is that AT has these huge relays โthe effect is not that different compared to running a hashtag search on a large Fedi server like m.s,v except that AT basically requires that.
Well, even large fedi instances dont have access to the whole network. In general though I agree that there's a parallel to the way AT gives power to large Relays and AppViews and how AP gives power to large instances.
Relays seem like they'll be a lot cheaper to scale than instances, but it's early days so we shall see. There's a lot of experitmentation going on with smaller AppViews leveraging large Relays, again though it's hard to know how it'll work out in practice.
On the other hand when Threads looked at it they decided AP was a better target to exploit than AT, so I wouldn't assume that AP's more resistant to centralization than AT.
It's not so much that AP is more resistant as much as AT is essentially designed with it in mind. Yes, you can have a heavy centralized AP-based network, and you can have AT networks isolated from the BS one, but that's not what either of those is designed and intended for.
There's also the question of who is in charge. BS is run by a for-profit funded by VC money, this is a really dangerous combination. VC money almost always leads to enshittification in the long term, because VC-owned companies run out of any other way to grow profits.
Agreed that Bluesky shouldn't be trusted, they're VC-funded and are likely to go the exploitative and/or enshittification route once there's revenue pressure. In terms of the original question as to whether or not they should be considered part of the fediverse, that puts them in the same category as Wordpress and Flipboard. It's intellectually consistent to say none of them are; it's not intellectually consistent to say Wordpress and Flipboard are but Bluesky isn't for this reason. (Although other reasons for excluding them might be intellectually consistent, for example the Diaspora analogy -- I don't particularly agree with it, but it hangs together, it's just a different conclusion that flows from a different view of whether bridges not implemented by a platform count)
And @oblomov you're right that AP wasn't specifically designed for giving an advantage to large instances. I once asked Evan what scalability analysis had been done as part of the standardization process and he said "none!" Still, it's an obvious consequence of the protocol, nothing's been done to address that over the years, and Threads decided it's a good match for them. So I don't see as much of a difference on that front as you do.
I tried BlueSky a few months after I was on Mastodon and didn't like it. It was a wayyy different feel and community. Maybe it's more old Twitter-like? But I also wasn't on Twitter.
How do I exclude content from USA users, to prioritize regional connection? My fellow Australians are outnumbered by british users 3:1 and americans 10:1. I guess the same issue applies to other english speaking communities such as Argentina, South Africa, Colombia, Kerala, Kenya, Singapore etc.
There's no regional filter, as there is no location information collected about users.
However, some servers include an optional visibility setting that makes posts only visible to other people on the same server. So, if you were on a regional server with such a setting, that would be somewhat like a regional filter?
Another alternative is to post to groups that are dedicated to particular regions. More about groups here: fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-onโฆ
I recall friend feed, we shots, and other online photosites that closed down, sad but the server bills need to be paid and financial support was hard to find ...
VC money is not financial support, it's giving ownership to people who want constant financial growth. That's what the article about Ello goes into depth about.
That's why so much of the internet is enshittifying, the constant chasing of growth (not just profit but ever-increasing profit) at the expense of users' privacy and safety.
I'm not mad at anyone, I'm concerned about history repeating itself if we keep using social networks that have dangerous structural and governance problems.
Most people don't care about this stuff directly, but they do care about the practical effects. Brazilians are having to leave Twitter because it is a centralised network with bad governance, for example.
Yes, but that's because they've got money from VCs to play with so they can build up market share.
Eventually the VCs will demand something in return, and that's when the enshittification begins. That's why I linked to the article about Ello, it goes into detail about this, from Ello's birth to death.
If we want to break out of this cycle, we need to stop using social networks that depend on VC money.
p.s. Some misunderstanding of what is required to start a Fediverse server. You don't need to install software or do anything technical to create a Fedi server.
There are many managed hosting companies that do all tech stuff for you behind the scenes, including updates and maintenance. Using managed hosting is about as difficult as setting up an email account.
I run a website at growyourown.services to encourage more non-technical people to try managed hosting.
However, for those who are technically capable and also poor, you can save a lot of costs by doing it yourself. I would remind ppl throwing figures out on the interwebs that we don't know what currency they are using.
it would be beneficial if many such vendors wound exist. If it is priced correctly, demand could be high, especially if alternatives to the fediverse are becoming more annoying/worse. Just think about Twitter blue or however that is called now. People/bots already pay for that. People could be convinced that their own fedi server service would be more beneficial than this blue mark.
p.p.s. Another significant difference between the Fediverse and BlueSky:
- The official BlueSky app collects personal data.
- Most Fediverse apps (including the official Mastodon app) do not collect any personal data.
If BlueSky is already collecting personal data now, what do you think will happen a few years down the line when they're pushing for more profit growth?
i feel like that mastodon one is a little misleading re user content. The mobile apps may not but that Thatโs literally all the servers do: collect, store, and share peopleโs content.
Collecting is where a piece of data is taken without explicit consent. A user deciding to post something themselves using visibility settings they've decided is pretty much the opposite?
The core idea of privacy policies is to give users more control over what data is shared about them. If they're the only ones controlling the sharing, that means they have full control.
I dunno. "Contact info" is pretty common. Lots of reasonable reasons to ask for name or email addy, and it's almost always done with consent and needs to be called out in those data sheets even if it IS fully consensual .
If you click on "details", it turns out that the "contact info" on BlueSky means your phone number. Phone numbers are used by data brokers to discover people's identity across multiple data sets. That's why Facebook, Twitter etc started suddenly pushing people so hard to give their phone numbers, because it opens the door for a surveillance bonanza.
Once you give a corporation your phone number, they can usually find out your real name, postal address etc etc.
right, i fully agree about the data collection bad, BUT i was more getting at 2 things:
1. the mastodon disclaimer is misleading because mastodon servers do collect user content even if the mobile app technically doesn't. it just passes it on to the server. That's prolly true of the bluesky one too.
2. consent doesn't effect the requirement to have the label.
Yes, mastodon is radically better, but it doesn't collect nothing. it just collects nothing you don't want it to.
Data collection isn't the same thing at all as a user choosing to post something. If you say they are the same thing, it is just giving cover for privacy-invading services to claim they are the same as privacy-respectful services.
The only thing a Fediverse server knows about you is:
-Whatever email you used to sign up with (it can be throwaway or an alias)
-Whatever IP address you're using (which is true for any internet service)
yup. not arguing any of these points. just that the label on the mastodon app is misleading. The blue-sky app probably just funnels all the ๐ฉ up to the servers like the mastodon apps do. By that logic neither collects anything, but they BOTH do.
WHAT they collect & what makes it acceptable or not it is a separate discussion.
The Mastodon app isn't sending any data back to its makers.
The BlueSky app IS sending data back to its makers.
That's why their labels are so different.
If I use the Mastodon app with a server that isn't mastodon.social or mastodon.online, then the makers of the app never hear anything about me. What the servers collect is separate from what apps collect because on a federated network you aren't necessarily using the app on a server that the app makers have any connection to.
@masukomi In the most literal sense any method that involves a user's data ending up in your possesion is collection. Far from providing cover it makes a hard line. When someone posts on your server they are explicitly requesting that data collection under the terms as set when they joined.
That all this is counted as collection means there are hard limits on what you can do with the data and you can demand that all data they have on you be deleted.
@masukomi This is absolutely true, but I'm talking about why GDPR doesn't allow sneakarounds for when a user submlits data rather than it being requested.
It's also possible that even though no data is being collected by the app-makers, it will be treated as a data processor on behalf of whatever servers it connects to. This would mean that it comes under 'sharing with third parties' or similar.
Blue Sky is constantly reminding you of their data scraping when they ask for permission for more permanent access to your photos every new day you post or save an image, so at least they are somewhat open in that regard.
I wish I visited Blue Sky more- Iโm sorry I think they are failing despite having the most old school Twitter attitude and appearance. But people opt in to the more invasive meta ecosystem, because, numbers. Fedi can be a bit too preachy, controlling, in own ways.
In case this week hasn't made it super clear: people, in general, are willing to trade some data & privacy for not getting brigaded with racist/anti-trans/sexist/ableist crap.
I've mostly enjoyed using Mastodon, but I have many friends here & elsewhere who deal with & talk about the crummy user safety experience Masodon provides for huge swaths of users in minority/disenfranchised/vulnerable populations.
Their friends & colleagues are hearing loud and clear.
I agree Mastodon isn't doing what it should about safety, but Mastodon isn't the only platform on the Fediverse. There are others which have placed a much higher priority on user safety.
I'm particularly following @gotosocial which lets users decide who and how others can interact with their posts, and includes support for allowlist federation where all servers are blocked by default.
Once GoToSocial enters beta (which they've been saying is imminent) I'll be promoting it a lot more.
It's not a choice between Mastodon and VC-backed corporate networks. There are other options which avoid the dangers of VC corporate and also give users better safety features.
The danger of VC-backed for-profit networks is absolutely horrific:
If you follow any of the #GoToSocial developers you've probably seen this going around already, but 0.17.0 of #GoToSocial will be the first release that includes interaction policies, aka reply-controls.
In the first iteration of this feature, you'll be able to configure your account so that new posts created by you will have an interaction policy set on them, which determines whether your instance drops or accepts replies, likes, and boosts of your posts, depending on the visibility of the post, and whether or not an account trying to interact with you is in your followers/following list.
So for example, you will be able to create Public posts that can only be replied to by your followers and people you follow, or unlisted posts that nobody can reply to or like, etc.
GoToSocial interaction policies will be a superset of other reply control proposals created elsewhere (and already implemented by softwares like Pixelfed and Peertube), so your GoToSocial instance should recognize interaction restrictions set not only by other GoToSocial instances, but by Pixelfed and Peertube as well.
If you're interested in reading about how this will work on a protocol level, you can take a look at the documentation here: docs.gotosocial.org/en/latest/โฆ
Please note that this feature is not 100% finished yet, and may be subject to change before release. We're aware of where the headaches and difficulties are, so please don't reply to this post griping about them; we already know (and this instance is still running on 0.16.0 so no interaction policies yet).
I'm not a big fan of VC-backed networks and understand the risks and problems. For many folks, though, the problems they and their friends experience are visible and visceral and truly affect them personally, while the problems introduced by VC-backed platforms don't directly affect their daily health and well-being, even if overall they are horrible.
I look forward to reading more about the other platforms and tools you're talking about here!
that's all true. But since people don't care if a social media platform is owned by a fascist and one of the richest people on the planet, who supports one of the biggest threats to the planet, a far-right movement, what would stop the majority of users from going to an alternative that has the problems pointed out?
People will stay where their peers are. No matter what's involved. This is a good example of how many people will stand up if they see themselves in a table surrounded by nazis.
Very interesting article. When Ello came out and me and a work colleague got invited, we did not have a doubt. It seemed really nice to us at first and got engaged with some users as an underground alternative with high hopes and a creative focus.
Then came the fake users contacting with scam links, then those obscure news about its direction and finally the design contest ads... We got suspicious and just stopped using it. We made our posts backup "manually" ๐ฎโ๐จ but it was a letdown.
Going for "higher numbers" is exactly the problem, because it isn't happening sustainably or ethically.
If growth happens, it has to be sustainable and ethical, otherwise you're just stealing money from exploited people in the future.
Once you take VC money, going for higher numbers has to happen forever, even if it means exploiting your users and doing really immoral stuff. It's short term money for long term disaster.
What is the point of growing an alternative if it ends up as bad as the thing it's replacing? What has that achieved? What difference has it made?
The Fediverse is trying to do things differently in the hope of making something more ethical and sustainable in the long term. At the moment, no one else seems to be doing this?
@jose8 I see it possibly growing and then going down the path that all commercial ventures go - the one away from user freedoms and towards capitalist agendas
The reason it's so cheap is the economy of scale from a managed hosting company providing hosting for many different instances.
Part of the reason I run my accounts is to encourage more non-technical people to get involved in running their own internet presences, whether it's a website or social media instance or whatever.
It's not as difficult or expensive as people think, it's never been cheaper or easier.
@jose8 I love the growyourown.services concept. I have been expanding and improving my own self-hosted services for years for next to nothing (low power focus, on demand services, solar power, etc). I have stepped away from most of the major providers this way and only hold minor accounts as needed for access to certain services.
If the Ello story is typical (which I think), then the Fediverse should not try to out-compete BlueSky by growing faster than it: It must only survive. Sooner or later, any profit-oriented social media will go down.
True of so many things in real life unfortunately ๐
Hopefully there is some steady state possible, where you receive enough money to cover costs without wrecking the place trying to pursue ever-higher profits.
@faduda You don't need to be a lawyer: GDPR is written in plain English (plain a-lot-of-languages, actually).
The legal definition is found in Article 4: "Definitions".
> โpersonal dataโ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (โdata subjectโ);
> an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as [โฆ] an online identifier [โฆ]
Well yeah, but Meta is a lot further down the path of enshittification. This is the kind of thing we can expect to see in BlueSky's future, they've already taken the first steps.
If I sign up on a server and choose the username i9024jinsiujfiosjfioesj, and I never use that username anywhere else, how can that be used to identify me?
I really don't think it's wise to start saying that this is in the same class as real names or addresses or phone numbers, which obviously make it easy to identify someone.
It lets apps which do collect all kinds of dubious unnecessary info claim "well all apps collect personal data" and try to normalise it.
I think the biggest turn off with bluesky is the smuggy people of Twitter have made camp there. Almost all I see there is people telling.me how Important they are or this is way Twitter use to be. Twitter while had some good points before musk was still not the best place it was a marketing machine dream. People wanna look back with rose colored glasses. But it was getting bad before musk bought it. The pompous just were too self involved to notice
Farming out fediverse systems to some corporation is still supporting a corporation.
Beamship is running on a laptop with 1TB hard drive and 4MB RAM. Fiber ISP connections are practically everywhere. Our ISP blocks serving anything so, we bounce across a VPN.
MicroShit just bought GitHub and I have no doubt will decide all the programs on it is their property now.
All these corporations are using AI bots to steal everything. Gmail included.
@RaccoonForFriendica rilasciata nuova versione 0.1.0-alpha15 che include la modifica dei dati del profilo (purtroppo parziale, perchรฉ su Friendica l'endpoint non permette di aggiornare tutti i dati finora), la visualizzazione del testo alternativo delle immagini, la possibilitร di condividere gli URL dei profili utente e una serie di correzioni nel caricamento delle liste (a.k.a. "cerchie") e dei gruppi in modalitร forum. Ci stiamo avvicinando a una versione beta, colgo l'occasione di ringraziare anche N7-X che mi ha dato un contributo nella visualizzazione delle bottom sheet. Buon weekend, ragazzษ! #friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #kotlin #kmp #compose #opensource #fediverseapp #livefasteattrash
E dato che non c'รจ due senza tre, alpha17, perchรฉ c'erano dei bug nella gestione delle richieste di follow e la ricerca utenti poteva essere ottimizzata.
รbamos por la calle caminando despuรฉs de comer en un sitio en #Gijรณn (estamos de vacaciones).
Dos amigas, mi chico y yo. Mi chico y yo solemos ir de la mano, como era el caso.
En un momento dado escucho a un chico canturreando. Pensaba que era el tรญpico con cascos cantando.
Al momento siguiente escucho que canta "Me gusta matar judรญos (mi cara ya sorprendido ๐ณ) y asesinar maricones". Y me giro y a cosa de metro y medio estaba un chaval rapado, acompaรฑado por otro, dirigiรฉndose a un paso de peatones que nosotros dejรกbamos a un lado.
Es decir, que lo estaba cantando para amedrentarnos (supongo?). Cuando ha visto que nos girรกbamos a ver quiรฉn decรญa semejantes cosas ha seguido caminando y ha cruzado el paso de peatones como si nada.
Vaya, que ademรกs de fascista, cobarde. Y esta es la รฉpoca en la que nos toca vivir, con los fascistas campando a sus anchas...
Me da rabia porque en esas situaciones nunca sรฉ quรฉ hacer. Si le encaras igual la lรญas...
Siento mucho leer que episodios como estos siguen pasando, es como si el reloj de la sociedad se hubiera vuelto atrรกs al siglo pasado. Lo peor es que para esos grupos, creer en "ideales" como transfobia, homofobia o xenofobia es un factor de cohesiรณn y, cuanto mรกs encuentran supuestos "enemigos" para combatir, mรกs se fortalecen. En algunos paรญses de Europa incluso han llegado al gobierno y ahora mandan ellos, ni te cuento cรณmo es la situaciรณn donde vivo porque esa gente ahora se siente aรบn mรกs legitimada.
lo que me gustarรญa es permanecer invisible, pero no siempre es posible, aunque en ocasiones le saco partido. A mi mujer le llamรฉ la atenciรณn haciendo un examen en la facultad porque en la รฉpoca tenรญa que usar una impresora y como tenรญa que enchufarla no me quedaba otra que hacer los exรกmenes desde el estrado en la mesa de los profesores. Pero vamos, lo mejor es pasar desapercibido si se puede, y en mi caso raramente se puede.
Un nuovo anno scolastico sta per iniziare...nuove possibilitร , occasioni e opportunitร che probabilmente scopriremo essere state tali molto dopo che sarร trascorso ๐ รจ valso per noi e vale per gli studenti di oggi: nihil sub sole novi.
Mi raccomando, ricordate che il vostro operato ha un impatto fondamentale sui cittadini del domani... molti dei problemi di questi ultimi tempi sono dovuti a persone che dell'ignoranza hanno fatto bandiera e motivo di vanto (e da molti altri che, incapaci di operare alcun discernimento li seguono e approvano).
@Dieguito ๐ฆ su questo dissento in parte. Quelle persone non sarebbero cosรฌ alla ribalta se molte altre non le seguissero o non ne condividessero il "pensiero". Questo significa che c'รจ un substrato profondo in molte persone che affonda le sue radici in valori che non sono quelli tradizionalmente proposti (anche a scuola), ma piuttosto in una calcolata superficialitร che dร libero sfogo al lupo che รจ dentro di noi e che รจ pronto a divorare gli altri uomini. E per combatterlo o quantomeno tenerlo a freno non basta la scuola...
[correggo che รจ poco chiaro] Treno. Leggo in timeline. Post di uno che arriva, sperava in Mastodon, ma dice che รจ meglio Bluesky, e chiude. Ma li pagano per questo?
ma scusa come โฆ cioรจ, sulla base di cosa? Ti hanno riconosciuto perchรฉ ti seguono o hanno altrimenti visto il tuo profilo qui ed hanno deciso โฆ ? Mah.
Se ci fosse una persona che, alla festa del prossimo anno, avesse voglia di spiegare cos'รจ il fediverso, un gazebo lo metterei a disposizione piรน che volentieri.
@GustavinoBevilacqua tipo Linux Day, e secondo me con il Fediverso ci sarebbero piรน speranze, perchรฉ Linux ha giร un nome e la gente lo evita a prescindere (ยซtroppo tecnicoยป). Con il Fediverso ancora c'รจ meno nomea, ma sarebbe meglio avere pronta cassa un paio di istanze con registrazioni aperte a cui fare iscrivere lagggente seduta stante, e fargli provare subito l'ebbrezza di commentare un video PeerTube da Mastodon o una foto PixelFed o roba del genere.
@Matteo Zenatti @Oblomov effettivamente anche io avevo avuto il dubbio che fosse stata una conversazione avuta sul treno, o diretta a te o sentita da parte del vicino di posto che parlava con qualcun'altro
@valhalla il vero motivo per cui non tengo la foto sui social รจ per evitare che la gente mi fermi sul treno per dirmi che BlueSky รจ meglio. Per lo stesso motivo non vado in treno.
@oblomov perรฒ una volta, in una stradina a piedi a Valeggio sul Mincio ho incrociato una ragazza sconosciuta con amica, cui ha detto guardandomi 'vedi, lui รจ Matteo Zenatti, รจ bravo', ci siamo salutati e abbiamo proseguito per la nostra strada.
Un giudice brasiliano sospende la piattaforma X dopo che si รจ rifiutata di nominare un rappresentante legale
Il giudice Alexandre de #Moraes della Suprema Corte aveva avvisato Musk mercoledรฌ sera che l'ex #Twitter avrebbe potuto essere bloccato in Brasile se non avesse rispettato l'ordine di nominare un rappresentante, e aveva stabilito una scadenza di 24 ore. La societร non ha avuto un rappresentante nel paese dall'inizio di questo mese.
leggendo la notizia รจ sufficiente che Musk nomini qualcuno rappresentante legale, per uno come lui non dovrebbe essere difficile. Leggendo fra le righe le cose si fanno piรน complesse in quanto il rappresentante legale sarebbe responsabile di tutte le puttanate diffuse su X ogni santo giorno, in pratica rischierebbe di ritrovarsi in manette il giorno dopo.
@GiampieroDeMarco57 si molto basta pensare che se non esistessero uomini in terra il pianeta sarebbe solo natura incontaminata in pratica il paradiso terrestre ๐
pictures or it didnโt happen. Thereโs no way you migrate 500 MILLION blogs to a new platform seamlessly. Thereโs definitely fallout and anybody who says different is lying.
I think what really bothers me about the aesthetics is that the shapes are broken up by the coloration. For example, the pin icon for Google Maps looks almost like a hook, because the yellow has little contrast on this white background.
And thatโs why I donโt really hate it. I hate Google, but I think itโs a neat design choice. I still hate Microsoftโs icon design a lot though, they canโt seem to stick with one thing.
i think they did need to unify the design and branding but i also agree they went too far with it. if they had only chosen 1-2 colors for each app icon that would have helped a lot.
Except that the original post was contesting that those shapes are indistinguishable from each other. My point, therefore, is that the solution offered in the post I replied to would still be indistinguishable to 300 million people.
the squares are there for comedic effect. the shapes are not actually indistinguishable. but at a glance, color is a much faster tool we use to identify these icons. so the problem here is that it takes longer for us to decipher a Google app icon, and the solution would be to differentiate the colors.
also this would help colorblind people as well, because removing unnecessarily complicated colors would make the shapes easier to identify as well.
Yes I understand the meme and I'm not trying to get into an argument. I'm just trying to educate as to why relying on color as the primary differentiator is not a solution to the problem as proposed.
at a glance, color is a much faster tool we use to identify these icons
Think about what you're saying here, and consider how ridiculous it would sound if you said that to someone who was completely blind.
Sure, to a "color normal" person, something's color is a great differentiator, but even when using a colorblind friendly pallette it's just far easier for us to distinguish different shapes than colors. We've spent our whole lives adapting to a lack of color information so asking us to be able to work purely on color alone is like asking a blind person to see.
Again, and this part is really important and oft overlooked - this applies even when a designer has gone out of their way to choose a colorblind friendly pallette. It's just not that easy for us. I honestly couldn't even tell you what Google's corporate pallette is without looking and I'm sure that information is second nature to normies.
at first glance did you separate it into red v blue or circles vs squares?
you're absolutely making things up. we've evolved to differentiate shades as well, which supercedes colors. even for colorblind people this kind of image should be differentiated by color or shade first.
not to mention not all people have perfect vision, in fact people with blurry vision probably outnumber colorblind people, and that would make the shapes not extremely reliable, especially when most icons would be more or less squares and circles with small details changed.
I could tell you what I see but you wouldn't believe me anyway.
I was trying to show that not everyone perceives the world around them in the same way, and most people find it fascinating when they take a step back to really think about it. But you've already decided that simply not being able to see colors in the same way as you makes me inherently wrong, so I'm not going to engage any further.
Most software pretty much doesnโt give a fuck about the visually impaired despite everyone talking big shit about accessibility. So I could certainly give a fuck what color someoneโs logo is.
Yes, but the original post is suggesting that they're ambiguous enough to all be squares. Running with that concept, making a bunch of squares different colors doesn't fix the issue for those of us who can't easily identify those colors.
Nope. The icons are honestly good enough as they are, but the original post was being disingenuous in suggesting they're no more distinguishable than squares.
Running with that logic, having each square a different color does not solve the problem for those of us who can't easily distinguish those colors.
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My wife really really really wanted a MacBook in 2020 and the major plus of having it is that I got to steal all the fonts. Mostly, I just wanted Helvetica lol
Roboto has a dual nature. It has a mechanical skeleton and the forms are largely geometric. At the same time, the font features friendly and open curves. While
Man... I might be showing my age, but checking out some of the links in these replies gave me nostalgia for the website FontsnThings.com (or was it "FontsandThings"?). I used to love browsing that shit as a kid and downloading all the coolest looking fonts lol
Plus the art they started using in gdrive. The art on its own is cool but within the Google ecosystem just feels likeโฆ what is it evenโฆ whyโฆ ugh I hate it.
Yeah like in 50 years I can absolutely imagine people loving it as a style of a time. I recognize I like pop art far more than I would if I was in its target demographic. But also I donโt hate it, itโs just so everywhere and so soulless. Itโs the style of โmoney pleaseโ in a time of great socioeconomic inequality. Itโs art deco but demanding friendship and comfort rather than respect and awe. But more than anything itโs art for business people, and I just donโt care for business people.
Its one of those things u never think about as a person without disabilities, cuz i can tell the difference just fine, i guess they should have consulted someone with a vision impairment when considering stuff like this.
I wouldn't even call this "aesthetics". Rather "conceptual homogeneity" or something like that. It's what happens when you strive for a uniform look over a useful or visually pleasing one.
Not Google related, but whoever decide that the best color scheme for an Office suite should be light grey text on a white background deserves to be flogged.
Corporate memphis does incorporate a sort of identity vagueness.
Almost all human features, body, skincolor are in a uncanny valley. Non-personal enough to be general yet similar enough to be relatable to pretty much any theoretical demographic.
In reality it falls flat. Many people (non partisan) dislike it because of how artificial and shallow it feels.
What it is definitely not is a deep plot to change the social perception of checks note people with non idealistic body features.
Google has no economic incentive to improve your opinion of disabled people who are equally part of this group you appear to find non acceptable to exist in the workforce.
The homogenization of these icons has been a long source of consternation for me.
They're barely functional as icons; you can scroll right by them and miss them; which makes finding the apps in a list of apps a bit annoying sometimes. Removing each icon's unique color scheme and replacing it with the 'company 4 colors' was the stupidest fucking idea ever.
Even more infuriating is how they keep renaming the applications to unexpected things every so often; so they move around; and it's dreadfully annoying to remember if they prefixed the name of the app with a G or something else completely different, which renders strict alphabetical sorting a bit moot.
It can get even worse. My phone lets me do this to my icons which is ridiculous. I think this was opt-in but now that I'm going through my settings again I can't actually figure out how to turn it off lol
This is Material You icons; and this is basically not something you can opt out of...that I know of. You may want to find a different Launcher that allows you to load icon packs or disable that Material You behavior. (If yours doesn't)
I filed a very irritated Radar / Feedback (Apple's terms for bug reports) with Apple when the icons for apps all turned to rounded squares. I compared them to Google's icons and challenged them on making everything harder to distinguish.
I hate contemporary GUI design. Not all of it, but probably half.
For mostly all of my app-launching things I always prefer searching for text than searching for an icon. In pixel launcher, I always use the app drawer search, but an even better solution is in something like Niagara launcher.
nah I still recognized all of them as google products bc they use the same 4 colors, but in different interesting ways. gmail was all red but a letter shape. Maps was a red pinhead. drive was a triangle but used all the colors but red. Calendar was a less noticeable shape but instantly recognizeable as a tabletop day calendar. now everything has to use all 4 colors and the shapes are so small that the colors can't do enough on a phone screen to differentiate themselves.
They already had a common design language and color scheme. Now they have a samey-ness to them that takes away visual interest.
Lol at the Photos icon. How does that in any way represent a photo or a camera? I guess it's an iris shutter but that's not something you notice too often on a real-life camera.
I think it's kinda morphed into a pinwheel, which still sorta makes sense as pinwheels have been a staple of photo and camera advertising for their bright colours and rapid movement.
I was yelling about how windows 11 swapped out text listingzs for copy, paste, etc from its contextual menus for stupid icons just the other day. Modern UIs are becoming so โstreamlinedโ to the point of uselessness.
Oh yeah it's easy to confuse an envelope for a bulbous pin if they're the same color. I nearly mailed a letter in a turkey baster the other day so I get it
Please also consider supporting the myriad of developers who offer their superior products for free, open source, without ads.
โWhat if I paid for all my free software? I've always felt guilty by taking for granted the rare breed of virtuous humans that provide free excellent software without relying on advertising. Let's change that and pay, how much would I โloseโ anyway?โ โcynicusrex.com/file/takemymoneโฆ
Responsible financial diversification requires holding some assets outside of the traditional government controlled banking system.
They didn't say they were going all in. They aren't continuously promoting - at least not that I'm aware. They were just being open and honest about how they're handling their finances.
Responsible financial diversification requires holding some assets outside of the traditional government controlled banking system.
They didnโt say they were going all in. They arenโt continuously promoting - at least not that Iโm aware. They were just being open and honest about how theyโre handling their finances.โ
I absolutely disagree. 1. โResponsibleโ and โBitcoinโ is an oxymoron due to the inherent multi-level marketing pyramid/Ponzi scheme aspect of cryptoโcurrenciesโ. 1. โMoney corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely. Disregarding all of bitcoin's shortcomings, a financial instrument that brings out the worst in peopleโgreedโwon't change the world for the better.โ โcynicusrex.com/file/cryptocultโฆ
โResponsibleโ and โBitcoinโ is an oxymoron due to the inherent multi-level marketing pyramid/Ponzi scheme aspect of cryptoโcurrenciesโ.
First, you're removing the next two words "financial diversification" from the statement. Your own personal opinions and emotions aside, financial diversification is not a bad idea. It's all about percentages and risk calculations. I would agree with you if they went "all in" on crypto, but they didn't say that.
Second, you're lumping in bad people with good tech that has solved a very specific problem - the ability to transfer funds without relying on a central bank or authority. Is email bad because the majority is spam? No. Is the internet bad because the dark web exists and thousands if not millions of crimes are being carried out on it? No. Are encrypted messengers bad because they allow criminals to send message? No. Same concept here. There can exist a good technology that gets abused by bad people.
โMoney corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely.
You can stop at "money corrupts". bitcoin is money and money corrupts.
Disregarding all of bitcoin's shortcomings, a financial instrument that brings out the worst in peopleโgreedโwon't change the world for the better.โ
Disregarding all of the U.S. Dollar's shortcomings[1], a financial instrument that brings out the worst in peopleโgreedโwon't change the world for the better.โ
Fixed it for you.
[1] The US spent 877 BILLION dollars on its defense budget (as much as the next 10 countries combined!) to ensure the USD keeps its power.
โResponsibleโ and โBitcoinโ is an oxymoron due to the inherent multi-level marketing pyramid/Ponzi scheme aspect of cryptoโcurrenciesโ.
First, youโre removing the next two words โfinancial diversificationโ from the statement. Your own personal opinions and emotions aside, financial diversification is not a bad idea. Itโs all about percentages and risk calculations. I would agree with you if they went โall inโ on crypto, but they didnโt say that.
Gambling or buying into a pyramid scheme doesn't belong to the category of financial diversification, let alone responsible financial diversification. Responsible financial diversification is investing in skills, property, purchasing cooperatives, official/institutional crowdfunding projects with sustainability in mindโnot purely profit, ethical index funds, et cetera.
Second, youโre lumping in bad people with good tech that has solved a very specific problem - the ability to transfer funds without relying on a central bank or authority. Is email bad because the majority is spam? No. Is the internet bad because the dark web exists and thousands if not millions of crimes are being carried out on it? No. Are encrypted messengers bad because they allow criminals to send message? No. Same concept here. There can exist a good technology that gets abused by bad people.
All whataboutism fallacies. Cryptoโcurrenciesโ incentivize greed. Not so for email, the Internet, messengers, et cetera. The only legitimate usecase for these alternative currencies is financing whistleblowers, journalists, individuals who have to break unethical laws and are therefore disconnected from the banking system.
โMoney corrupts; bitcoin corrupts absolutely.
You can stop at โmoney corruptsโ. bitcoin is money and money corrupts.
Bitcoin more so because of its multi-level marketing / pyramid scheme aspect. When one buys USD or EUR one doesn't try convincing their peers to buy it too so their own wealth goes up.
Disregarding all of bitcoinโs shortcomings, a financial instrument that brings out the worst in peopleโgreedโwonโt change the world for the better.โ
Disregarding all of the U.S. Dollarโs shortcomings[1], a financial instrument that brings out the worst in peopleโgreedโwonโt change the world for the better.โ
Fixed it for you.
[1] The US spent 877 BILLION dollars on its defense budget (as much as the next 10 countries combined!) to ensure the USD keeps its power.
Sorry but no, MEGA is good. It's consistently rated among the best for privacy, performance and price. Imho Proton Drive is the best and most promising though.
Triumph of visual design over interactive design. These days, most โdesignersโ only care about graphics visually. The much deeper science of how people use and understand things is beyond them. Worse, they think the problem is that everybody else does not โgetโ visual design.
Hey show some respect! A whole team of people each racked up tens of thousands of dollars of student loan debt and spent months tweaking their designs, just for upper management to wreck it all on a whim in order to get you those new icons.
I don't love the difficulty of extremely fast individual identification but there is something to be said for the ease of extremely fast collective identification, it makes it very easy to see which group of apps each app belongs to, which is also valuable.
On top of that in Play store lots of times when I search for certain app it gives me like 10 more alternatives that all have slightly different logo but all use that same yellow-green-blue-red color palette that google has, so with all these copycats it's even harder to figure out whether app is from google or not
Anyone else this there's actually nothing at all wrong with the "New" row of icons? Except for the triangle one, which is terrible in its "Original" version as well, as it indicates absolutely nothing about its app (I believe it's Google Drive, right?). All the rest are clearly distinguishable, and have relevance to what the app does.
I actually think these are fine. If I can quickly recognise each on my homescreen (I don't use labels) then it's fine, and I've never had a problem with any of these.
I like it because each company each has its own set of apps, and they have somewhat unified app icons.
Proton is the same, which similar icons as google but with their own unified branding.
Also I'm sure the designs are absolutely as humanly possible adapted to perfectly achieve their goal. Too much money, people, and time involved for this not to be the case.
And the goal was never ease of use, that doesn't bring in any more money when you have a monopoly. Engagement & forced ads do. \ (By 'forced ads' in this case I do not mean directly advertising a specific product, but forcing you to pause your thoughts to specifically and consciously think about Google making the name/brand ever more part of your actual life and as such its shitty behaviour gets normalised, even trusted - thats just how our brains work even when we think otherwise ... and I hope we all think of Google as a curse on humanity.)
Color is the first thing the eyes tend to notice, then shape, then lines and details. The new icons all look the same at the edge of my vision, I have to look at them straight on to distinguish them. Individually each one is fine but together, like what the hell?
I don't rawdog Google icons anymore anyway, I use an icon pack
Hmm M. M for mail. you know what else starts with M? fucking maps. Totally great to open email every damn time I want to know where I am because it doesn't look like a letter or a map anymore. Ditching google when I can.
@darkdoom solo il primo link รจ un feed leggibile. Il secondo รจ un feed cui va sostituita la parola "nomedellacomunitร " con il nome della comunitร che vuoi seguire
Con queste temperature alte il consiglio รจ sempre quello di idratarsi molto, ma non bevendosi il cervello come hanno fatto quelli di alleanza verdi sinistra
Un ex ingegnere del New Jersey รจ stato arrestato per aver bloccato l'accesso a 254 server aziendali e tentato di estorcere 20 Bitcoin. Scopri i dettagli del caso e le accuse che potrebbero portare a 35 anni di carcere
Approfitto della vicenda #Telegram e #Durov per rilanciare un messaggio importante: Telegram NON รจ un'alternativa sicura e rispettosa della privacy. Sono invece da preferire altre app come Signal e Element (Matrix) quali alternative crittografate e orientate alla privacy.
volevo aggiungere che Whatsapp non รจ meno sicuro di Signal
Poi nel caso Telegram la privacy centra poco se con privacy ti riferisci ai soli metadati. Durov ha sbagliato a non criptare le chat come avviene per Wa, signal, ecc.. cosi il mondo non veniva a conoscienza delle porcherie e tutti si dormiva piรน tranquilli. Che ipocrisia pensare che nel mondo si utilizzi ad esempio matrix solo per scambiare due chiacchere innocenti in nome della privacy
@emanuelegori Beh che WhatsApp non sia meno sicuro di Signal non possiamo esserne certi. In teoria usa lo stesso protocollo di Signal, ma in pratica? Non possiamo saperlo.
@emanuelegori nรฉ puoi sapere il contrario. Io ho sempre trovato assurda la scelta di Signal di non aprire alla federazione o all'interoperabilitร dei server.
di sicuro possiamo ipotizzare che WhatsApp ha delle comode porte di sul retro attivabili alla bisogna. E al grido di "a pensar male si fa peccato ma ci si azzecca" lo darei per certo @emanuelegori @devol
@bestkevin @ten700 la non apertura all'interconnessione dei server rende la cosa sostanzialmente inutile: non puoi sapere in alcun modo se il codice che leggi รจ quello che gira sul server, e non hai modo di usare il tuo
@bestkevin @ten700 Credo che lo scambio delle chiavi sia un problema sostanzialmente immutato negli ultimi quindici anni, insomma da quando ho studiato la cosa all'universitร . Se mi sbaglio chiedo scusa a chi legge e mi piacerebbe capire i meccanismi che rendono sicura la cosa
@L_Alberto รจ un'ottima domanda, ma la risposta รจ semplice: dร tutto quello che ha, ovvero, nulla (o molto poco) Signal dice "Once again, Signal doesnโt have access to your messages; your calls; your chat list; your files and attachments; your stories; your groups; your contacts; your stickers; your profile name or avatar; your reactions; or even the animated GIFs you search for โ and itโs impossible to turn over any data that we never had access to in the first place."
ร vero quello che dici, perรฒ telegram ha funzionalitร utilissime che le altre si sognano. Non puoi sempre e soltanto badare alla sicurezza se hai bisogno di "fare" cose piรน avanzate. Non puoi non perchรฉ non devi ma perchรฉ non hai modo. Datemi un sistema di messaggistica altrettanto avanzato e lo uso.
collabora, ma tutto quel che puรฒ dare รจ praticamente inutile. La cosa bella รจ che la cosa รจ giร dimostrata da anni, ergo, il nodo centrale corre pochi rischi Mi conviene rileggere en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(โฆ
Oltre ai vippes, giornalisti e politici che non lasciano Xitter perchรฉ hanno paura di perdere milioni di follower faticosamente compr... conquistati, non si parla mai dellษ poveraccษ che per vivere fanno i video su Youtube commentando "le notizie del giorno" dove per "le notizie del giorno" si intende "il Twitter Trend su cui si litiga di piรน fingendo sia la notizia del giorno a livello mondiale".
Gente come Hasan Piker, ma anche David Doel che pure seguo sciorinano ore ed ore di video in cui letteralmente leggono quello che passa in timeline su Xitter allo scopo di incazzarsi e/o perculare.
Nessuno pensa a queste persone? Come faranno a sopravvivere quando X inesorabilmente collasserร ? Poverinษ loro ma anche io che ogni tanto guardo The Rational National.
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L'ho giร segnalato altre volte, ma non รจ male ribadirlo. Final Round รจ un gran bel sito per informarsi sul mondo videoludico.
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