that's all very nice-sounding, but then the narcissists - who have very real and pressing psychological needs, which must be satisfied - would have no narcissistic supply, from the status of their crazy narcissistic shared fantasies being over-idealistically pursued. **Greenpeace, you have no magic wand you can wave, which can stop their charisma, and ability to woo people into their narcissistic shared fantasies. And you never will. Mother nature automatically keeps supplying new ones at a steady rate.** #psychology
Are you sure you don't want data centres in space? Far away from the Earth. Not polluting the water. Not bothering nearby settlements with infrasound. Etc.
Imagine a newspaper publisher refusing to let libraries keep copies of its paper. That’s effectively what’s starting online, as big publishers block the Internet Archive from preserving news sites. eff.org/deeplinks/2026/03/bloc…
Imagine a newspaper publisher announcing it will no longer allow libraries to keep copies of its paper. That’s effectively what’s begun happening online in the last few months.
Society has given up more than it realises in moving to a digital world and abandoning paper publications. It will be much easier to literally rewrite history if there's no physical record of it any more.
@FediThing this is why our tech overlords love that physical media is dead for the majority of people. That was the last shred of ownership the tech bros couldn't weasel out of. Well, now its all gone, you will own nothing.
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UPDATE: they have dropped Persona! --- I didn't want to be break this story over here but since no one else seems to be posting about it here I am sharing a screenshot from the other side with @scan's post.
Hey @OpenSourceCollective I just heard some news that you started using a certain "identity verification provider" recently that I think people will be very unhappy about. It might be wise to make an announcement post about this publically before you get inundated with angry pushback from the large community of people relying on your services.
Overview I am a fiscal host admin and I want to avoid making payments to payees who are in the process of KYC verification. I am a fiscal host admin and I want to be alerted when payout methods are...
This needs to be acted against NOW. If people on Discord managed to get up in arms enough to get them to chance course, we should be better prepared for then them to make them change course
Here is an @heisec article about Discord trying to distance themselves from this company that Open Collective is now integrating into their platform: heise.de/en/news/After-user-pr…
I don't know what @opencollective and @OpenSourceCollective are thinking with this move, but this situation needs to be reconsidered. This is going to have a massive blow back when the actual users of Open Collective realize what's going on.
I say this as someone who has been actively using Open Collective for many years. Both as a place to donate to projects that I care about, and as a place to collect donations to various projects I have been a member of.
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Open Collective and Open Source Collective are two different entities. The Persona API is currently being added to Open Collective (github.com/opencollective/open…) and then being used by Open Source Collective to "Know Your Customer". This is a screenshot of the email sent to @scan's account for Margin (opencollective.com/margin)
Overview I am a fiscal host admin and I want to avoid making payments to payees who are in the process of KYC verification. I am a fiscal host admin and I want to be alerted when payout methods are...
They are already testing integrating Persona's API with hosted projects on Open Collective that are using Open Source Collective (the fiscal host). Maybe you haven't heard of Persona yet?
"All of these personal details and images can be shared with Persona’s “global network of partners,” including vendors, law enforcement, and 17 “subprocessors” that sift through personal data on Persona’s behalf."
@leonieke they are using Open Source Europe luckily who is a different fiscal host opencollective.com/europe so at least they aren't currently affected (directly) tho its still Open Collective adding the API to the underlying project.
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Because of Open Collective's belief in transparency, you can see directly how much @OpenSourceCollective is paying to use Persona and when those payments started:
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So yeah, this really seems like they are integrating Persona directly into Open Collective. So even if the fiscal host changes directions here, this seems totally not ok. github.com/opencollective/open…
Open Collective's Frontend. A React app powered by Next.js. - Add persona info to dashboard components by hdiniz · Pull Request #11988 · opencollective/opencollective-frontend
Hi, Lauren here. I'm the ED of OSC and happy to chat. In this expense, the payee was presented with options that would not require a KYC with Persona; they confirmed, so we will be able to pay them through this method. KYC's are a rare edge case for us and are not issued on all expenses. I will publish a general statement on the OSC updates page - but yes. We started using Persona before the news broke. We are currently looking for non-US providers and are open to suggestions.
@opsocket We're indeed adding a persona integration on the platform to help Open Source Collective manage their KYC program. It is not something we're forcing on anyone, just a bridge we're creating for fiscal hosts relying on this service.
For the rest, I'll let Open Source Collective comment.
They're aware of this thread and are preparing a reply as we speak.
@opencollective i don't understand any of this. is this one second away from them implementing a persona *killswitch*, and debating what "persona" actually *means*?
what this "bridge" is, and who the hosts are that potentially need a kyc-persona. i'm lost when people start using abbreviations, and i'm doubly lost when they shroud those abbreviations in vague abstractions.
@OpenSourceCollective another I never liked about open collective is that they store all their data on AWS in the US, unencrypted. that means all the fiscal data, invoices, payment details, of all their users, including all collectives using their online platform. as open collective is difficult to self host, everybody uses their website. when i asked for more details, they said they are a US based organisation, that they won't care, and that GDPR does not apply to them. i stop using it
hey @Wtebbens have you seen this thread? seeing as you just set up a fiscal host on Open Collective and have been talking about the need to move away from Big Tech I would think chiming in, in this situation would be useful
I am profoundly worried about age verification and more so to see @opencollective join the Peter Thiel backed Persona.
We're here together precisely to fight against these techbros, to resist tech monopolies and surveillance capitalism, to help people become autonomous and assure basic human values as privacy and solidarity.
We should be able to give donations without becoming part of the authoritarian tech stack? Well that's what we work on together. So let's hope OpenCollective reverts course.
Some unrelated privacy concerns about accessing the Open Source Collective funds have already been raised - so it's extra disappointing to me to see another dimension being added to the issue. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, @liaizon
@seabass thanks for the reply Sebastian. I am a huge fan of F-Droid and a daily user. I have great respect for F-Droid and wish it the utmost success. This situation seems like it might need a quick response by the community and I think Open Collective must really not be thinking very deeply about who they are representing if they are making moves like this. I would hope this issue can be brought up internally and maybe some peer pressure from orgs like yours might really help this situation.
It's always nice to hear from users, and on behalf of the project, thanks for your kind words! I agree that this is an unfortunate decision - made independently by both Open Collective and Open Source Collective, it seems - that has the potential to harm lots of FOSS maintainers. I hope you can understand that it is, well, a delicate matter to raise complaints against the very organization that holds >80% of our funds, but I shall do my best to address this with sensitivity and expediency.
@opencollective @OpenSourceCollective yeah, i think i have a couple of donations going to projects this way that i'll probably be forced to reconsider.
Hold on – Open Collective and Open Source Collective are two different institutions, right? But they are both currently integrating Persona? Am I getting this right?
@cwebber for fucks sake I really don't want to be the one to be unloading this sort of horrible news on the fediverse. I would so much rather shitpost about the protocol wars. But no one was talking about this and its so so depressing and they need to change course...
@opsocket copy-pasting the reply I've made on the Github issue:
We (opencollective.com) are agnostic to the KYC provider that fiscal hosts use. Our integration was built primarily as a manual KYC tool, and you can use any backend you want - or even run your own program.
@opsocket We're indeed adding a persona integration on the platform to help Open Source Collective manage their KYC program. It is not something we're forcing on anyone, just a bridge we're creating for fiscal hosts relying on this service.
For the rest, I'll let Open Source Collective comment.
They're aware of this thread and are preparing a reply as we speak.
@lanodan I can't imagine how all of this sort of sharing of personal data with "partners" would work in a legal sense but it sure seems like its common in Valley startups
Yeah, it seems like the vast majority of VC-backed or publicly traded companies from the silly con-valley has their business model based on privacy violations.
@jdp23 your welcome, I wish I didn't have to be in the position to be posting about this at all. But open collective is super important as a funding source and the one that so much of the fediverse relies on. I think we really need to convince them to change course on this.
Hey @CryptPad, Open Collective is voluntarily integrating a fascist surveillance tool. Would a subscription on your official instance support you in the same way as an OC contribution?
@alxndr Ugh, thank you for pointing this out. We are very sorry to learn this. We will do our best to find an alternative but we're pretty tied to OC at the moment.
Indeed subscribing on our flagship instance is another way to support the project, you get benefits in return such as more storage and priority support.
I work with an NPO which currently uses Open Collective and likely would vote to stop using Open Collective if this level of corporate doxxing is required to interact with their platform.
Don't dare open source hackers, we can switch/build services in a heartbeat.
We are not trapped like teenagers hooked on discord, we can simply leave and never look back if forced.
@sef @nullagent big FOSS developers have no problem actively maintaining and contributing to mass survailence and fascism, its been shown time and time again at this point
like yknow i feel like we all got the gist of how these things will go.. we all say 'hey what the fuck why are you doing "identity verification" let alone with fucking surveillance state company
they give some speil about """safety""" and [insert scapegoat here].. and basically ends up with 'fuck you were doing it anyway' ..
However, note that we're discussing building services for _ourselves_, not other people. We can throw together something that's extremely rough around the edges that scratches our itches, but isn't ready for the rest of humanity!
@mosttoast @nullagent They are different. Open Collective is the software, Open Source Collective is the US based fiscal host of many projects in OC but not the only host. There is also Open Source Europe which is the other big fiscal host that is on OC.
The First Person project is needed quickly. TLDR , proof of identification without breaching privacy. Linux Foundation is the first test case for it to avoid Jia-Tan-like attacks. Why OpenCollective needs the identity verification provider in the first place though, what are they using it for?
@Li I think we are going to need it. Open source will be attacked by bad faith actors which can set up a bot army of "contributors" - the openness we want needs some kind of trust mechanisms. I am not saying this specific case warrants an identification system - just that there are sharks in the water ahead. Say someone wants to infiltrate the forums of KDE, and make a lot of noise and disturb development, they can already. In the future they can x1000 it in volume and distruption
@havchr look okay we just "need" mass privacy violations, we just *need* to destroy all anominity on these projects, its super important! we just need to discriminate against people who are not 'blessed' by teh state with the privledge of being able to exist.
yeah; how about no;
i do not care how 'palletable' you try to make this dystopian bullshit
@Li Look, I am not rooting for any of these things, I am rooting for solutions that can proove personhood _without_ breaching privacy. There is a whitepaper about it on the firstperson project web page. The Linux Foundation is one of the initiaters of this work. And in the case of OpenCollective and shipping ID off to Palantir-bros - hell yeah, they can fuck off.
@havchr "proving personhood" again please fuck off with this shit.
"proving personhood" means that someone can just decide your not a 'person', or that you are a "person" its discriminatory, and creates extreme power dynamics (which is what IDs are for, the other part is survailence)
ive been told for ages im not really a person you know, i don't actually have a magic id card that says i 'count' actually;
a person is anything that says it is, fuck you. stop trying to enforce dehumanization actually
i don't need to fucking 'prove' to fucking anyone ever; and i hope your system gets hacked to fuck; (i mean, you cant do 'privacy preserving, identify verification'' its self-contradictory)
and fuck the linux foundation for enabling this shit too actually
@havchr also despite obvious social and generally horrible shit this entails that your apparently fine with "super nessecary" somehow
. what you are describing is impossible to do privacy-preserving way and still achieve say preventing bot contributors
you claim its privacy-perserving, however you want to use it to prevent an army of fake contributors? how could that ever work? you'd need some way to detect those contributors are actually the same 'person' in which case, you have just tied multiple identities to a single person; (even if you dont know which person it is specifically- you know their the same person;)
which is like super bad for privacy and opsec actually, being able to tell that this account, and this other account are actually the same person makes it significantly easier to track them down.
and without this , there is nothing stopping someone who is 'blessed' to "count" as person-enough; from just creating multiple billion contributor accounts anyway,
I would say that the MAJORITY of 2714 collectives that OSC fiscal host has would be entirely opposed to being subjected to having to have their personal data sent to Persona. A large majority of them have a presence right here so tagging projects seems like it would definitly stir shit up.
An open letter where people can sign their project names about their disapproval of this would probably be a good start though you are right. I wonder what the best way to host that would be?
Yes haven't checked out the state of petition-software lately.
One low effort/complexity way of doing it would be to write a letter in ukrudt's hedgedoc and just ask projects to sign it if they agree - sign it by way of writing their name in the bottom: hedgedoc.ukrudt.net/ - we can then create a public read-only link and share that.
Another issue is the whole governance issue - their 2022 stated goal for "Exit to Community" has resulted in:
"That vision became reality in 2024, when stewardship of the platform transitioned to a new nonprofit: the Open Finance Consortium Inc. (OFiCo), a U.S. 501(c)(6) association created by and for the fiscal hosts and communities who rely on it.
OFiCo now governs the platform collectively, while its subsidiary OFi Technologies (OFiTech) operates the platform. Together, they continue the original Open Collective mission: enabling transparent, collaborative finance for communities everywhere."
What does "govern the platform collectively" mean?
The OFi Consortium site says they are "community governed", and then later, that they are formed by 5 organisations including Open Collective Europe and Open Source Collective, that "represent thousands of Collectives and guide our strategic direction".
I'm in several collectives that are fiscally hosted by Open Collective Europe, and I have never been asked to "guide their strategic direction" in any real governance sense. And looking through their (OCE) site - there is nothing I can find about hosted collectives having governance. For me "exit to community" means that the community, in this case, the collectives, have governance - but I don't see it.
Am I missing something?
This is probably next-step stuff. But it is a lingering question I have had for a while. I have a good relationship with OCE, and I believe they are well-meaning. My worry is that if there is no real community governance, then it becomes "community-washing" instead of "community-governance".
@abekonge @jowek @ukrudt @tak @ruben @magnus just to follow up on this thread: they dropped Persona! There are a lot of good points brought up here, and they didn't really address many of them. I would love it if they made a more decisive statement then then did and engaged a bit more with the community here other then defensiveness. But I am very glad to see they at least cut ties
@abekonge @jowek @ukrudt @tak @ruben I like escalation strategies like that. It gives Open Collective time to react before the shit hits the fan and then it gives us room for increasing the pressure if they don't
Hi, Lauren here. I'm the ED of OSC and happy to chat. In this expense, the payee was presented with options that would not require a KYC with Persona; they confirmed, so we will be able to pay them through this method. KYC's are a rare edge case for us and are not issued on all expenses. I will publish a general statement on the OSC updates page - but yes. We started using Persona before the news broke. We are currently looking for non-US providers and are open to suggestions.
@poohlaga hi Lauren, sorry to make your acquaintance on such an unpleasant matter. While I am glad to hear that you are using them only in "rare edge cases" it seems that their API is getting directly integrated into Open Collective's code base (github.com/opencollective/open…)
I think for the present moment there needs to be a very clear statement about *exactly* how you are using Persona and what data and what edge cases would end up triggering you to initiate sending *any data* to their API.
Open Collective's Frontend. A React app powered by Next.js. - Add persona info to dashboard components by hdiniz · Pull Request #11988 · opencollective/opencollective-frontend
Yes, I have a draft response on how we intend to use the platform connection, but I'd like the engineers to review it for accuracy, as the feature is still in development. I will say it was fundamental for us that any personal data entered in Persona remain in Persona and any user information on the platform remain on the platform. We are not passing any user data from the platform to Persona. And if a user elects not to do our KYC with Persona, then we do our best to find another way.
@poohlaga the statement "We are not passing any user data from the platform to Persona" makes no sense in this context. You are integrating Persona's API into the platform. You are paying money to Persona to process the personal data of people on Open Collective. Why are you even considering using Persona at all? Using them is antithetical to every point that Open Source Collective lists in your "Values"
Not antithetical at all. If someone chooses to not do the KYC with Persona, we respect their privacy and will offer other solutions. And no, we are not passing any user data to Persona. The integration is only intended for us (fiscal host admins) to copy/paste the persona inquiry ID into a reference field in the OC platform to make it easier for us to link into Persona later to check on the verification status. That's it. The ID# and the status is all we bring from Persona to OC.
Regarding edge cases, the most common are when we are unable to verify the payee's identity or when they are in a jurisdiction flagged by US sanctions. Roughly .005% of expenses each month are flagged. Additionally, for each flagged expense, we communicate what is blocking us from moving the payment forward and offer alternatives so we can resolve the issue in a way the payee also feels comfortable with.
> you can see directly how much @OpenSourceCollective is paying to use Persona
I am more interested in the reverse flow. As I just can not imagine someone within the FLOSS environment did not due dilligence about "third party contribution". The first page of nojs DDG search is full of "persona" warnings so it flashes.
I'm glad I'm not using it for my FOSS projects, but I'm afraid the others like liberapay and ko-fi will be eventually be strong-armed by the US-controlled banking system to do the same.
Persona probably makes it really easy to integrate. OpenCollective needs to solve a real problem. The best approach here is to help find and integrate better systems since they seem open to other options.
OpenCollective responded to our collective concerns about identity verification and halted their use of Persona. I'm really happy to see this reaction by @opencollective - opencollective.com/opensource/…
Thanks to @liaizon to raise the alarm bells and so many who spoke up in this rather sensitive matter - people do need the money for their communities, but we need to have more control over the process. OpenCollective and @Liberapay are important actors here for the ecosystem.
Of course much concern remains for the reliance on US law (OpenCollective) and all credit card payment providers are under US control. Recall what happened to the ICC judges? So we need to work towards more reliable systems under our control.
To be continued. The @fkinstitute and the DemocraticTech.Fund will be working with these concerns in mind.
As a nonprofit fiscal host, OSC supports over 2,500 open-source projects worldwide. Last year, as part of ongoing improvements to our risk and compliance processes, we began verifying the identity of users requesting payments when: When we...
The EU’s Open Source Software Strategy calls for reducing dependency on proprietary technologies. But for feedback on the Cyber Resilience Act, they're asking for feedback in .xlsx format! This is obviously not ideal – so please sign our open letter: blog.documentfoundation.org/bl… #foss #openSource #freesoftware
The European Commission has spent years advocating for open standards, vendor neutrality, and digital sovereignty. The European Interoperability Framework explicitly recommends open formats for public sector digital services.
Interestingly in UK HMRC want submissions from small charities claiming Gift Aid in ODF format and supply a spreadsheet to make claims on and require users to submit these claims saved in ODF not.xlsx
can you please support new HWP documents? You only support older HWP97 documents, but the new korean office suite is a giant PITA when you have to deal with that country 🙁
isn't the xlsx format founded in the Open Document format?? Didn't Micro$oft go with the Open Document Foundation format standards si their tools would both save and open all, their proprietary and the foss file formats?
@polmalvinas Hi! No, .xlsx isn't part of the Open Document Format, and there is no such thing as the Open Document Foundation. (There is The Document Foundation, the non-profit behind LibreOffice). Microsoft Office/365 does support ODF though – if only they used it by default. Hope that clears it up!
I sent an email to cnect-cra and they responded saying they had already uploaded the model as a .ods and have implemented a fix that allows contributors to upload . ods in response to public consultations. I went to confirm and now it appears like this: "Allowed file types: txt doc docx pdf odt rtf xls xlsx ods."
Not sure where #Google asked for feedback about their developer verification program, but they surely didn't talk with #FLOSS devs, civil society, privacy organisations or their #Android users
#FDroid did since September, and interacted with folks in the Fediverse, forum, email and in person
They all voiced one opinion: "developer verification must be stopped"
@marcprux has written an open letter, signed by likeminded organisations who want to #keepandroidopen
As we wrote about back in September in F-Droid and Google’s Developer Registration Decree, Google plans to enforce mandatory developer registration as a requ...
Right from the start I would look up an app and then find a place I could download the apk file and install it myself. All you have to do to is find the android setting that says, "install from other sources" and yer set.
Android app developers relying on google play services voluntarily over such a long time i would say have been complicit, that was the starting point to what we see now progressively less Open.
I hope that Google changes its mind, but as a shareholder company, they aren't a community. So I don't hold out too much hope.
But what I do hope is that AOSP eventually forks from Google, and other Open source mobile OS's start growing their market share away from Google. Its time for these options to go mainstream. We need F-Droid to be there for this.
Eventually we need an OpenAPK standard to build around that is not reliant on Google.
@adventure_tense Non-stock Android will continue to work just fine (well until Google locks-down AOSP), but suddenly 3.9 billion devices won't be able to install good apps.
- Also sign the petition at change.org. The more of us that speak out against it the better chance we have of getting Google to back down. c.org/kRnMMnS9LP
Google is attempting to block the use of side loaders and APK files to download apps outside of their play store by requiring developers to submit their IDs and addresses.
I completely agree with everything written by F-Droid, and I have signed the petition, but still this is the reminder for all developers why should prefer the only truly free platform for development of applications, which is the Internet itself, and #Webapp s . Yes, it is not fit for every application, but everywhere else you are #Sharecropper on your master’s plantation.
The world of Nostr isn't stressing out over this because we use the new Zapstore that allows developers to directly sign and release apps using the Nostr protocol.
F-Droid could release apps over the Nostr protocol, and offer their own Nostr appstore client, and bypass Google completely.
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@mariosiniscalchi bello anche se resta ancora il problema del costo. Vedo che un se per mettere al sicuro una bottiglia o una candela sta a circa 1.5£ medi.
Con quel costo un'azienda ci imballa almeno 10 bottiglie con il package tradizionali.
Ben vengano comunque iniziative del genere perché presto verranno scalate per diventare più economiche ed appetibili a chi dell'ambiente se ne frega e guarda solo al profitto.
@mariosiniscalchi certo. Il problema è che il cliente potrebbe spendere anche quei 5 euro di più su una certa fascia di prezzo, ma sono i produttori ad essere avidi
Sono molto critico dell'IA generativa, sin dagli albori, ma ho sempre parlato con piacere con chi la sostiene.
Più passa il tempo, più li vedo fare atti di contorsionismo per ignorare quanto sia problematica. Sospendiamo un attimo le questioni etiche e parliamo solo di quelle pratiche:
1) è impossibile assemblarsi un PC perché non si trovano RAM, hard disk e GPU (se prima erano colpiti solo i gamer, ora sono colpitx tuttx)
2) I prodotti consumer sono sempre più costosi e non riescono a uscire (Valve e Sony stanno rinviando le console, etc.)
3) I data center, anche ignorando i problemi ambientali, spuntano come funghi e rendono la vita un inferno a chi li ha vicini. Banalmente, consumano così tanto che aumentano a dismisura il costo della corrente, che è un bene di necessità primaria.
Ho sempre trovato angosciante il fatto che si siano “appropriati” di un campo così delicato come quello della creatività, della generazione di testi, immagini, suoni, automatozzandoli.
Da un lato credo permettono a tutti di avere accesso a un'esperienza di “creazione” che altrimenti sarebbe preclusa, richiedendo anni di tentativi e fallimenti. Dall'altro, velocizzano questi “processi” e li mettono chiavi in mano a chiunque con la scusa della democratizzazione.
@carin ci sono molti aspetti controversi Un aspetto è che forse certe richieste verso le ai sono determinate dall'individualismo sempre maggiore, l'incapacità dell'essere umano di stare in società (senza guerre o predare sul prossimo) E porterà a un sempre maggiore individualismo, in cui un essere umano sarà accompagnato da n ai e robot e sempre meno umani, e gli umani saranno al massimo avversari
concordo ma ti vorrei parlare dell'altro lato della medaglia: lavoro nello sviluppo software e le situazioni in cui sei costretto a lavorare col supporto dell'AI sono all'ordine del giorno, si viene tacciati di essere troppo lenti facendo tutto "a mano" e se non si e aggiornati sull argomento si rischia l'obsolescenza e di conseguenza il lavoro. Vivo questo problema quotidianamente e non ho la soluzione, letterlamente c'è chi è costretto.
Io certi tipi di modelli li utilizzo per sviluppare farmaci. Un po' di mesi fa ci siamo aggiudicati un po' di soldi ed abbiamo deciso di cominciare a montarci un nostro piccolo cluster di calcolo in modo da non dover dipendere sempre dai centri di super computazione.
Credo che ad oggi abbiamo un 150,000€ da spendere a questo proposito. Per iniziare abbiamo fatto un ordine piccolino: un rack con un server e un paio di GPU, saranno un 25-30 mila euro o giù di lì.
Già sono passati un po' di mesi e qualche settimana fa è arrivato il rack. Di lì a poco ci ha chiamato l'azienda che dice che li hanno contattati quelli di Lenovo che dato che sono aumentati i prezzi dei componenti (tutto già pagato, s'intende) non assicuravano inviarci il server. Nulla, al momento brancoliamo nel buio: a quanto pare nessuno ha schede grafiche. Stiamo seriamente pensando di metterci a comprare schede usate, perché i soldi li dobbiamo spendere.
Nel mio ambito i large language models non si usano per sviluppare molecole. C'è chi ci ha provato ma i risultati sono abbastanza scarsi. Certe architetture sviluppate per gli LLM però si usano in altri modelli, ad esempio AlphaFold utilizza meccanismi di attenzione. Poi non è solo machine learning, molto del calcolo è semplicemente risoluzione di equazioni.
Capisco cosa intendi. Penso che l'IA generativa abbia applicazioni utili, soprattutto nell'accessibilità. La mia amica Greta Carrara, che con il suo collettivo Giochiamoci si occupa di accessibilità ai videogiochi per non vedenti (e non solo) dice giustamente che in certi ambiti l'IA è stata una svolta.
QUELLO è un uso interessante. La buona notizia è che le cose più utili si possono fare con modelli in locale, meno "spreconi".
@elettrona secondo me hai colto un punto molto molto importante: non dicono mai di no e questo è male. Sembrano prodotti pensati per quei capi e capetti che si circondano solo di yes-men
@ziriuz84 Non a caso ho specificato "IA generativa". Sono d'accordo, lo spiegavo un paio di giorni fa in una lezione: l'IA è un campo dell'informatica che esiste dagli Anni 60 e il machine learning è una tecnologia importantissima.
Anzi, sono proprio arrabbiato con il marketing di OpenAI e affini per aver appiattito il significato ed essersi appropriati del termine (danneggiando tra l'altro chi si occupa di IA negli altri campi).
@elettrona Sì, il fatto che la macchina non sia in grado di sapere se sta dicendo il vero oppure no è un problema insormontabile di questa tecnologia. E anche il fatto che, per questo, ti dica sempre di sì.
Per questo servirebbe parlarne in maniera concreta, fuori dall'hype, ma è veramente difficile farlo con il chiasso del marketing.
@elettrona mi pare ieri girava un toot di un tipo che aveva chiesto a diversi llm se quando deve lavare la macchina gli conviene andare all'autolavaggio che dista 50 metri in macchina o a piedi. Ti lascio immaginare le risposte
Tra l'altro mi pare probabile che una rete neurale come quelle citate da Sirio Negri richieda per funzionare hardware molto meno potente, o almeno quantità molto minori di hardware potente, e che consumi una frazione di elettricità minima rispetto a quella consumata da un LLM "generativo" già a parità di tempo di utilizzo; e sicuramente le reti neurali usate in campo medico o altri campi specifici in cui sono utili, nel loro insieme consumano tanto meno per il semplice fatto che vengono impiegate molto meno diffusamente e molto più raramente, per compiti tanto più utili, mentre i Large Language Model "che danno risposte su tutto a tutti" e consumano tanto di più e abbisognano a monte di moli di dati enormi hanno ancora tassi di errore molto elevati.
sono d'accordo su quello che dici sull'AI-gen. In questo caso però vorrei sottoporre il mio punto di vista da studente universitario. L'AI-gen, sempre se usata con criterio, aiuta molti studenti a sbobinare il materiale preso durante la lezione, crea dei quiz/flashcard per aiutare a memorizzare le nozioni e organizza il lavoro in maniera eccellente. Come hai detto tu è tutta roba che sapevamo fare anche prima dell'AI, ma impiegando una quantità di tempo decisamente maggiore.
E pure se di per sé il tasso di errore fosse azzerabile e azzerato sul piano tecnologico, rimarrebbero necessariamente tecnologie estremamente centralizzate, perché sono pochi i soggetti che hanno i capitali necessari a svilupparle, e sono soggetti che hanno come unico o di gran lunga prevalente obiettivo il consolidamento e l'aumento dei propri profitti, del proprio privilegio e del proprio potere, che hanno dimostrato nel tempo di non farsi alcun problema a raccontare grandi falsità, e quanto più la fiducia nelle loro "IA" si consolidasse tanto più potrebbero farlo anche con quelle, introducendovi bias per loro profittevoli a questo scopo.
@d10c4n3 @muffa Penso che il "tutto o niente" sia una trappola concettuale che conduce inevitabilmente alla sensazione di inutilità. Esistono certamente scale organizzative intermedie, per capirci da piccoli o medi gruppi di persone, che seppure non cambieranno il mondo domani possono influire sulla vita di chi vi partecipa. Ma ciò implica attivarsi e accettare i limiti del reale, compreso che per la maggior parte del tempo non ci si sentirà supereroi (contro la municipale). Risolvere il mondo è un problema che non è alla portata di nessuno, neanche di chi il potere ce l'ha visto che si basa su inguistizie strutturali, ma migliorare la propria esistenza e l'impatto che ha sulla realtà è possibile nella misura in cui riusciamo a organizzarci in modo definito per obiettivi specifici. E a furia di obiettivi specifici, e se vuoi in sé limitati, non è detto che non si arrivi a qualcosa di più comprensivo.
Il problema grosso è che se aspettiamo che le cose si mettano male (che già per tantissim* son messe male adesso) sarà troppo tardi: le conseguenze delle emissioni di gas serra arrivano molto dopo le emissioni, e la situazione sta peggiorando anche in termini di possibilità di contrapposizione, con strette repressive sempre più soffocanti. Nel 2024 la temperatura media globale è stata di 1.28 gradi maggiore di quella del periodo preindustriale; nel 2025 è stata maggiore di 1.44. Le emissioni, globalmente, continuano ad aumentare, e 1.44+(1.44-1.28)=1.6: già quest'anno molto probabilmente la temperatura media sarà maggiore di quella del periodo preindustriale di più di quegli 1.5 gradi che erano stati posti come limite da non valicare. Per darti un'idea: «To put that in perspective, temperatures during the warm periods on Earth three million years ago — when sea levels were dozens of feet higher than today — were only around 3 degrees Celsius warmer than pre-industrial level» (nasa.gov/news-release/temperat…).
Che poi io, che sono una persona sempliciona, a leggere «To put that in perspective, temperatures during the warm periods on Earth three million years ago — when sea levels were dozens of feet higher than today — were only around 3 degrees Celsius warmer than pre-industrial level» mi immagino che boh... facciamo che quelle dozzine di piedi fossero 3, e quindi il livello dei mari era più alto di oggi di 10 metri con 3 gradi in più rispetto al periodo preindustriale, mi immagino che già stando sugli 1.5 gradi di aumento avremo un innalzamento del livello dei mari di 5 metri, è già tanto, allora orsù adoperiamoci per costruirci barche e barconi a vela, "ci son due coccodrilli ed un orangotango". Poi magari le dozzine di piedi erano tante di più di 3, l'amico della NASA non ce lo dice quante erano.
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Ma non sono tanto le persone... per esempio, quasi nessun* tranne i CEO di OpenAI, Musk, ecc., voleva la "IA" dappertutto, con conseguente moltiplicazione dei datacenter e costruzione di nuove centrali elettriche, quasi sempre nucleari o termoelettriche basate su combustibili fossili... quasi nessun* le chiedeva queste cose, come tante altre... e anche dal punto di vista dei consumi personali, sono i ricconi che inquinano di gran lunga di più... allego il solito grafico... e lì il problema è che si rendono sempre più intoccabili, con polizie statali e private sempre più forti... boh va be', a me comunque visto l'andazzo d'insieme, e siccome il problema non è e non sarà solo l'innalzamento del livello dei mari, ma pure le inondazioni e gli incendi e le siccità sempre più frequenti e pesanti, e un'instabilità climatica sempre crescente che renderà sempre più difficile coltivare, pianificare, ecc., pare davvero che la cosa meglio sarebbe costruirci i barconi, coi quali tra l'altro potremo evitare i venti radioattivi quando, come probabilmente accadrà, qualcun* di 'sti stronzi comincerà a usare atomiche.
Il crollo del sistema finanziario... anch'io ne so poco, ma già ce ne sono stati, no?, tipo nel 2008 mi pare; poi cosa è successo? mi pare proprio che sia semplicemente aumentato ancora di più, con un salto grosso in quell'occasione, il divario tra super-ricchi sempre più ricchi e in numero sempre più esiguo, e super-poveri sempre più poveri e in numero sempre più enorme... poi anche un crollo finanziario globale lascerebbe almeno per un bel po' la situazione materiale così com'è, compreso il fatto che ricchi e putenti hanno tante armi e tanti soldatini...
Sui barconi non lo so, ma a me piacerebbe fare la vita che fanno quegli strani soggetti che a volte postano anche qui e che se ne vanno in giro in barca, tipo Devine Lu Invega o come si chiama, e il suo compagno... loro sono programmatorici molto brav* a quanto ho capito, e credo campino così, comprando il cibo, ecc., al supermercato tipo, quando si fermano in qualche porto... io non sono programmatore bravo, quindi dovrei pescare... vestirmi di pelli di tonno... 😁
@d10c4n3 @giorgiograppa @cirku17 @muffa @NicholasLaney Ma non è tanto l'attaccamento alla specie, è che noi in prima persona, o i nostri figghioli quando ne abbiamo, vivremo robe sempre più pesanti, vite sempre più pesanti, stentate, cheppalle.
I don't think people understand the idea of free Healthcare. Yes, paying for it in taxes, means it's not free. However, paying for it in taxes means, I don't have to go six years without glasses because I can't afford the exam. It means if my glasses break today, I can go to get an exam, get my prescription and go to get my glasses without taking from my food, rent, and clothing. Not sure about glasses outside of the US, is that a separate charge?
@LibertyForward1 @DerPumu Right. My glasses broke six years ago, I cannot afford an exam, nor have the funds to get one. If taxes go towards medical expenses, it should extend to the nearly blind as well. The longer we go without glasses the worse our eyes get. I know that is impossible in the US. However, for the countries that do have a universal health care, maybe petitioning the government departments that run these programmes and asking them to extend the medical benefits?
Not just Norway! Many European countries also have free healthcare, free college, parental leave, and more. It’s necessary to have a well-educated, healthy population that doesn’t fall for fascists…
That should be Denmarks/the EU's answer to sending a hospital ship to where nobody needs one because the health system is much better than in the states.
Lets fund US schools and universities to teach Americans how people can actually live in a democracy, how "we, the people" actually works when the "we" is not the oligarchs. How their riches can actually benefit PEOPLE, those who have been exploited to accumulate that wealth for the very few.
And I've always been for creating a fund that would finance European student exchange years for American teenagers so that they can see through all that nationalist propaganda. That would easily finance itself by saving hundreds of millions or even billions wasted through silly trade wars because those people would oppose to electing another crazy isolationist. 100,000 students a year. That would have an effect.
It's not America which helps spreading democracy. It's America which needs help building real democracy at home. One that can't be bought so easily.
@HarryMutt I really appreciate such a great work. If had the ability, I would have also funded it. But now, we need to focus on spreading the gospel of democracy amongst people in order to join efforts towards a common cause.
Don't use that term for the RIGHTS Europeans have fought for, and which are only possible because we have democracies where the common good is not an empty phrase. That's the difference between having parliamentary representation of citizens and an oligarchy where people are hoping for "benefits" from their master, err..., employer.
@HarryMutt Democracy is slowly vanishing which makes people not to enjoy the rights they once fought and are now paying for. What can bring power back in the hands of the people?
I disagree with the vanishing. Democracies worldwide are under attack from antidemocrats. The US oligarchs. The Russofascists. The Chinese capitalist communists. To name only the biggest fish here.
They all see democracies as an obstacle in their power games. They are funding and supporting especially right wing parties with propaganda and fake news aiming at dividing the EU, to weaken it and to destroy it, the largest entity of western democracy in this world. BUT, democracy is not receding. It's bending like a tree in a storm. The more it is under pressure, the more do people realize how important it is. Strong civil societies can withstand such attacks. But it's not an easy task, no question.
But ironically, here in the EU, and seemingly in Canada and other places, the orange attacks kind of make it easier. Dump is the best helper to revive the silent majority, so to speak. By being so immorally disgusting, by being a vulgar, corrupt idiot, big-mouthed, and empty of moral values, and completely free of empathy, he shows everybody what we HAVE and don't want to lose.
When it comes to the global south, I don't know enough to have an educated opinion. Probably, it all has to start with grassroot campaigning and convincing people that these strongmen I listed are not the solution but the problem.
@HarryMutt It would be easy for people to join together and fight for themselves if they knew that they're being deceived , blinded and brainwashed to an extent of being unable to know that they're being enslaved indirectly within the system. Won't people find out when it's too late to make a change?
Isn't education the best weapon against propaganda? You can only brainwash people who are not aware of the facts, and are unable to differentiate between facts and fiction. The problem is when people have not learned critical thinking and self-reflection.
And I don't mean conspiracy theorists who probably think they were the best critical thinkers available. In a complicated world, simple answers are usually wrong. But understanding the complicated ones is often tiresome and hard. That's why conspiracy theories from UFO nonsense to antivaxxer lies are so en vogue in some circles. In the best case, they are simply misled into believing nonsense. In the worst case, they are purposely led away from more important issues.
What I mean is that the ability to reflect on information and weigh different sources against each other and come to an educated conclusion based on PLAUSIBILITY and KNOWLEDGE is the best antidote against brainwashing. Education!
Take the antivaxxer movement. Their ideas are backed by NO scientific evidence. RFK's agitation against measle vaccination, for instance, has led to an epidemic in the US. Children have died from a disease that was practically eradicated. Even more have permanent damage. But those numbers are CONCENTRATED within those who won't vaccinate their children. QED
@HarryMutt You're right and am so impressed by your critical thinking skills. Unfortunately, in placeslike my own country, the government feeds people with the information it wants them to hear. The illiteracy levels are so high where a very big number of people can't be deceived and besides that, people are distracted through entertainment, sports and social media which makes them unable to pay attention to the reasons behind and policy. Can I share with you about my project?
Sure! I'm always curious to hear from other places. Although I'm not so sure that I myself are so impressed with my own skills. 😉
That's the crux not only in your country. People seem to forget what's important, and with the advent of social media, the ways to get yourself lost in meaningless entertainment have exploded. Not that the mechanisms had changed. Even back 2 millennia ago, the Romans knew that "Bread and Games" will keep the poeple from rioting.
Only the media have changed, and maybe the attention span. Hence, a government that has the media in its hand can do bad things with them. Literacy rates are probably only one factor in this.
But I'm curious, what's the primary source of information for those people you are referring to? TV/Radio? Or their mobiles? And if so, how do they use the phones when they are illiterate?
@HarryMutt It's about fighting hunger in my community, I work with 12 young volunteer farmers to make this a reality by growing food for the needy, educating local farmers with advanced agricultural skills to help them improve on their production as well as equipping beginner farmers with required tools like seeds , fertilisers and organic pestcides to help them produce the best out of their gardens as well combat climate change through tree planting. Do you have such initiatives there?
That sounds a lot like this: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiffeis… (translate the German page into English, the English page is only about the banks) During the industrialization, there were many initiatives like this for cooperative associations in Germany, along with social reforms and worker associations, aka unions. Germany is the land of cooperatives anyway. 😉 Which the Americans would call "socialist" (which it is not) because they are conditioned that you have to be "better than everybody else and fight alone" and not collaborate to make it better FOR everybody. But what happens there is that the individual is weak and is exploited by corporations who tell them that "SOSHALISM" is bad. Talk about propaganda by the ruling class...
For Germany (and, in similar ways, the rest of Europe), this is exactly what brought prosperity to the communities of farmers and also workers. Cooperate, bundle resources, knowledge, and money.
I think it's a great thing you are doing because poverty is best fought together.
@HarryMutt If people we're not affected by the capitalistic mindsets, the world would be better. Our initiative is currently under a crisis where we have been forced away from the land we have rented for two years to do our activities. We're doing our best tj raise funds and purchase pur own land which would be a big step towards making our dream a reality. Your support via our gofund.me page would make a significant impact towards that goal.
@HarryMutt We all would like to form such initiatives and unions to make our countries better places but since people are so divided, it makes it hard for them to join efforts towards a common cause. We have many different tribes, ideologies and the worst of all, we have democratic dictators and oppressors who keep people divided intentionally in order to stay in power. Within such a divided nation, what can make people united?
If I knew the answer to that, I'd earn a Nobel prize.
I can only look back at our own history, and I have to tell you, it took a long time, and also many wars and conflicts. My country alone is the best example. Divided into up to 300 states, from small city states to large ones like Prussia, it was often the place of proxy wars between the big powers. Most notably the war of 30 years where they all fought on German soil, in volatile coalitions, and pretending it was about religion, which, of course, was an excuse to gain power. England, France, Austria, Sweden, and a few others who sent their armies. And as if this hadn't been bad enough, after that war, some of them just took a piece out of the cake and kept it. If that sounds familiar for you, well, I guess, there is a reason for it. Then, the first, nationalist, unification of Germany was a reaction to the Napoleonic occupation which led to nationalism all over Europe, which also fired up the wish for a strong and united Germany. And it was not a peaceful unification. Where this all led to in the 20th century can be read in history books.
Tribalism still exists in Germany, and in the whole of the EU, of course. But at least the latter is not a forced unification, although it was a reaction to the terrible wars before. Sometimes, reason does work.
@HarryMutt I read about the European history and studied how the Italy and Germany fought to unify themselves despite the hindrance of Austria, Vienna settlement, Metternich system and other factor. I also learnt how Otto Von Bismarck, Hamilton Cavour, Kaiser William 1 , Victor Emmanuel among others fought hard to create the countries we admire now. This shows that our countries are backwards over 150 years back and we still have a huge battle to fight.
@HarryMutt We can't just sit and see our countries drown in disunity that has kept our countries backwards in all aspects of life . We can't wait to see what the government will do for us bug instead work hard to do something for our people and the government. We believe that change starts with us doing something we can no matter how small it is.
Better don't admire so much what they created. By today's standards, they were war criminals. And what they created was the foundation for colonialism, two world wars, and more than one genocide, also on the African continent.
Today's Germany has not much in common with what they imagined. Democratic, inklusive, pluralistic, not nationalistic like theirs. Not "we against them", or worse, the out-of-context misinterpretation of "Deutschland über alles" (which meant "a united Germany over the fragmented entity that was not a real nation like everybody else had one". Instead a country that is built on human rights, equality, not submission, cooperation, not confrontation. Flawed, and full of people who want back to the old ways of nationalism, racism, and imperialism. But they are a loud minority. The majority has long realized that real prosperity comes from cooperation, not wars. The people you listed would feel very displaced in this country which has values so far from theirs.
But those were the lessons from the unimaginable crimes that were committed in this nation's name.
Don't admire countries or historical people. Stay with being a human being with empathy for others and take from our history what suits your situation best. At least, we can serve as bad example, sometimes even as a good one.😀
@HarryMutt That's right, we can copy the good from them amd shape our country into something better. World wars were meant to happen but it's unfortunate that it was these unified countries that made them happen. These individuals saw a better world amd countries than what we see now. They hoped and worked for something better . I know Otto Von Bismarck was the foundation for African colonialism through the Berlin conference which is making our countries to suffer up to now.
Anyway, I think what you are doing is the right way. Convincing people to work together, that they have common interest to come together and put their stuff together. That the whole is more than the sum of its parts. All too often, this only happens with a negative narrative, "we against the others". But if it happens out of positive sentiments, "we, the people, together", it is a much more stable foundation to build on.
I appreciate your kind and Valuable words. You're seeing something that many in my country have failed to see. It is hard to free someone from slavery if he doesn't know that he's a slave. We have 1000 rich people in our country who have more than enough to buy the whole country yet there are millions of people who can't afford rent, food ,clothing among others. Thats why we choose to take the first step before others come to save us.
@HarryMutt Your support matters alot towards us and our community. Sharing and donating to our page makes us motivated and inspired to keep keep going with a strong belief that we're not alone.
@HarryMutt Learning how to use a phone doesn't require someone to be educated . There are hundreds and thousands of people in my community who who use smart phones although they're not educated. Here we have the UCC which regulates the kind of information showed on TVs, radios and some medias. It becomes easy for them to decide the kind of information to be shown by people more especially the youths and the children. This also plays a big part in keeping people divided and reluctant.
@nazokiyoubinbou Not same expense - there's plenty of evidence that you pay much more for less benefits. Which is not surprising, since that system is primarily a grift for private corporations to squeeze the population ever harder.
@jwcph @nazokiyoubinbou Many of our European sovereign wealth or pension funds are probably invested in the US system and extracting 'value' too. We have outsourced labour exploitation to China and financial exploitation to the US.
@nazokiyoubinbou We need unity first . Where both who are affected and those who are not join hands against the common cause. How can these people be joined together?
@nazokiyoubinbou That's okay. I just wanted to see whether we have the same idea. Education can be a better way out. If we cab educate the people and the children the importance of togetherness, we can address such a challenge. Because they want us divided, that's why the children even at school are not allowed to help each other during tests and exams. Can i share with you about my project?
@nuwagaba2 @nazokiyoubinbou I just wanna chime in that I agree education is (a large part of) our way out of this. If it wasn't an important tool for liberation, oligarchs wouldn't have done so much to prevent and destroy it. I'm not sure exactly what needs to be done, but I know we all need to heal, learn, and prioritize community (local or global or both) over isolation and competition
@raphaelmorgan That's right. The best way of preventing a prisoner from escaping is by not letting him know that he's a slave. Are the people aware that their freedom is slowly being taken away?
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When you are paying for private healthcare, you are also paying the providers margin. That makes it much more expensive that tax funded healthcare systems that don't take profits. About twice as much in the US than in the EU, with poorer outcomes.
Lots of people have really good govt jobs here. Good conditions with good pay. This places pressure on corporations to offer good conditions as well. Everyone benefits even if they don't work for the govt.
They also have a wealth tax, which has the net effect of keeping housing affordable. Instead of investors buying lots of houses to rent out and driving up the cost of home ownership, people have a real shot at buying a home to live in.
The third benefit I should mention is everyone in Norway gets to bitch and moan about how much tax they pay, because they have so much time off work to gather and talk to one another!
Altro che spirito olimpicoDall’omicidio di Renee Good in Minnesota fino ai Giochi di Milano-Cortina: “Aiutiamo il servizio di sicurezza Usa affiancando la vostra polizia”
spesso queste agenzie del governo americano create dopo l'11/9, quando vengono contattate da noi giornalisti usano la politica del NCND "neither confirm nor deny", ovvero "non possiamo né confermare né smentire"
voglio dire: #OlimpiadiParalimpiadi #MilanoCortina2026 non sono dunque una novità per la presenza di grandi agenzie di sicurezza americane, quello che però è nuovo è chi è l'#ICE oggi. La brutalità con cui OGGI opera lascia senza parole
*On December 28th, I delivered a speech entitled "A post-American, enshittification-resistant internet" for 39C3, the 39th Chaos Communications Congress in Hamburg, Germany. This is the transcript of that speech*:
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È pauroso e vergognoso,come cittadini italiani, essere rappresentati da un governo come quello #Meloni che ritiene legittimo un colpo di stato come quello di Trump contro il #Venezuela
As an Italian citizen, I find it scary and outrageous to be represented by a government like the #Meloni government which thinks the #Trump's coup d'etat against #Venezuela is *legitimate*
The Chilean president, Gabriel Boric, has condemned the US attack on Venezuela. I imagine that all the previous presidents would also have done the same. However, I imagine that the next president, Kast, will probably do as Meloni did. I imagine I will have the same scare as you in March next year. x.com/GabrielBoric/status/2007…
it also reflects a turning point in history... #Isreal and #USA and others brought #genocide back into the toolkit of liberal democracies, and Putin returned vainglorious conquest for historical grievance back to the language of major totalitarian states. (China will soon *wreck" itself in Taiwan.) The lesson is, don't become a failed state, and have a harmful military. #Ukraine learned this and is teaching the world right now! Defend! #venezuela can't. Are you listening #Denmark?
correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Meloni of the same political persuasion as Mussolini. And didn’t he align himself with Hitler? So I’m not surprised at her stance but just remember what happened to good old Benito.
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Quando ministri, sindaci, assessori, dirigenti pubblici o vertici di enti e società partecipate, cioè chi governa e chi firma per lo Stato, provocano un danno alle casse pubbliche, quel danno dovrebbe essere ripagato integralmente.Con la riforma della Corte dei Conti non è più così. La responsabilità personale viene limitata e una parte del danno viene scaricata sulla collettività. È deresponsabilizzazione istituzionalizzata. Chi governa si protegge. Chi paga, come sempre, siamo noi @attualita
Last night, I gave a speech for the University of Washington's "Neuroscience, AI and Society" lecture series, through the university's Computational Neuroscience Center. It was called "The Reverse Centaur’s Guide to Criticizing AI," and it's based on the manuscript for my next book, "The Reverse Centaur’s Guide to Life After AI," which will be out from Farrar, Straus and Giroux next June:
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EE UU ejecutó un plan para conseguir una ley antidescargas. La Embajada estadounidense en España diseñó una minuciosa estrategia en 2007 y colocó la propiedad intelectual como tema prioritario en su agenda.
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@marxistvegan oh nice analogy! Coincidentally I just spammed out a thread about the category mistake and how it leads us (or at least, AI researchers and some AI "critics") to worry about something that will never happen, instead of the thing that has already been happening forever
"Cognitive task" is an ontological sleight-of-hand used to obscure the distinction between the way a human would perform the task, and the nature of the task itself.
Videos about Artificial Intelligence Safety Research, for everyone.
AI is leaping forward right now, it's only a matter of time before we develop true Artificial General Intelligence, and there are a lot of different ways that this could go badly wr…
@filmroellchen Thanks for sharing this and I will take a look.
I will say I think what is important and that Cory raises quite well is understanding the power dynamics of this, which is we need more unions and more negotiation on this from the workers side that is the true safety to the workers no matter the industry.
Reading this. Paused to say, AI doing imaging evaluations has worried me since I first heard of it, and now you have given a whole other ($ milking) shape to the concern, and I don't know how to finish this thought. Nightmares ahead.
By Jonathan Grossman When he felt the time was ripe, President Roosevelt asked Secretary of Labor Perkins, 'What happened to that nice unconstitutional bill you had tucked away?'
Hi Cory - do you happen to know if the presentation you gave was being recorded? I'd be interested to watch it, though the text version will do nicely. 🙂
The saddest part about losing sectoral bargaining is that the only way we're going to successfully campaign to get it back is a full general strike, where *every* sector shuts down with the specific demand to repeal Taft-Hartley.
It ties back into how in a world of perfect law enforcement, social progress becomes impossible. The optimal amount of crime in society is not 0.
"It's because in a creative market dominated by five publishers, four studios, three labels, two mobile app stores, and a single company that controls all the ebooks and audiobooks, giving a creative worker extra rights to bargain with is like giving your bullied kid more lunch money."
I gotta work that into a conversation sometime soon.
By this analysis, organizations/corporations that buy into the #AI sales pitch and replace their workforce seem likely to collapse due to incompetence. Those that maintain their human expertise would thrive because of decreased competition. This, of course, assumes that civilization doesn't completely fall apart. The massive economic power of the big monopolies coupled with incompetence is really scary. Kind of similar to the Trump administration. I need to think more about it
An Italian journalist's car was destroyed by an explosive device.
An explosive device detonated under the vehicle of prominent Italian investigative journalist Sigfrido Ranucci overnight, as it was parked outside his home, without causing casualties, his investigative television news show announced on Friday
Italian leader Giorgia Meloni denounced it as a 'serious act of intimidation.'
An explosive device detonated under the vehicle of prominent Italian investigative journalist Sigfrido Ranucci overnight, as it was parked outside his home, without causing casualties, his investigative television news show …
«"Hanno trascinato la piccola Greta per i capelli davanti ai nostri occhi, l'hanno picchiata pesantemente e l'hanno costretta a baciare la bandiera israeliana. Hanno fatto di tutto ciò che è immaginabile a lei, come monito per gli altri", ha testimoniato l'attivista turco Ersin Çelik, rilasciato da Ketziot, l'inferno desertico dove le sevizie sono routine. Non contenti di questo assalto fisico, i carcerieri israeliani hanno tormentato Greta trascinandola per terra come un animale, avvolgendola nella bandiera del regime come un trofeo di guerra e esponendola nuda all'umiliazione collettiva, mentre la deridevano per la sua "debolezza". L'attivista italiano Lorenzo Agostino, compagno di flottiglia, ha descritto come Greta sia stata umiliata in modo sistematico: bendata, ammanettata con ferri troppo stretti che le segavano i polsi, lasciata al gelo per ore senza un sorso d'acqua, in un trattamento che evoca le tattiche di un gruppo terroristico – ironia amara, considerando che Israele si autoproclama vittima. Testimoni oculari confermano che l'hanno colpita ripetutamente, tirandole i capelli e costringendola a gesti contro la sua volontà, in celle infestate da cimici dove è stata buttata come spazzatura, obbligata a sedere su superfici dure per periodi interminabili, un'arma psicologica per annientare la resistenza. Queste non sono "perquisizioni necessarie": sono torture severe, paragonate apertamente ai crimini nazisti da Çelik stesso, un'eco orrenda che rivela l'ipocrisia di un regime che piange l'Olocausto mentre lo replica contro innocenti. Greta, "solo una bambina" come l'ha definita un testimone, è stata picchiata, umiliata e violata in modi che gridano vendetta – un monito velenoso a chiunque osi portare aiuti a Gaza. Questo orrore su una giovane donna disarmata non è difesa: è barbarie pura, un crimine contro l'umanità che macchia per sempre l'anima di Israele e dei suoi complici silenziosi». poliversity.it/@emama/11532215…
Thanks to your help, we were able to help him evacuate to the South last week during our Gaza Verified Emergency Appeal but we could not get him enough to also get a tent.
He’s now sharing a tent with another family and things are difficult.
Please help if you can and please share it so others can help also.
@aral
@joy
I have evacuated to the south and am currently staying in my friend’s tent, but he is starting to feel uncomfortable because of the limited space. I beg you from the bottom of my heart to help me buy a tent for myself and my children.
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Friends, today I face a challenge. My sister urgently needs her treatment — $160 covers her medicine for one week. Who will step up and help us make it happen today? Every dollar counts, and together we can give her the care she desperately needs. I believe in the power of community, and I know someone out there will be the first to answer this call. Please, if you can, be the reason she gets her treatment this week.
My name is Eslam Mohammad, I’m 24 years old, and I’m from Gaza. Over the past year, I’ve lived through unimaginable horror. I lost my home, my work as a photographer and artist, my friends, and the sense of stability that once grounded me.
My name is Eslam Mohammad, I’m 24 years old, and I’m from Gaza. Over the past year, I’ve lived through unimaginable horror. I lost my home, my work as a photographer and artist, my friends, and the sense of stability that once grounded me.
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@aral I was displaced to the southern Gaza Strip on foot for 6 hours without anything. I am carrying my children. Now I am sitting in the street without shelter, food, clothes or treatment. We have nothing. Please and I beg you to donate to my family to buy a tent and food.I am tired😭😭 gofund.me/7fc0e346
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Non mi piace fare necrologi qui, ma oggi sento di dover condividere un pensiero. #RobertRedford, parlando di #Trump, ha detto che è dolorosamente chiaro come un solo uomo sia riuscito a degradare tutto ciò che toccava, senza capire che il suo compito era difendere la #democrazia. E aveva ragione: la #verità, la #libertàdiparola e di #stampa, il rispetto delle regole… tutto è stato messo in discussione. Parole dure, ma che fotografano bene quello che il mondo intero ha potuto osservare.
@tina Se la mia gatta sapesse leggere non si degnerebbe nemmeno di annusarle quelle crocchette che compro al discount per risparmiare. Tana per te! @ndo
giusto oggi ho mandato @ndo a comprare nuovo cibo più sfizioso, dato che quello che avevo... meh, buono ma mancava quel quid. Non pensare che la tua gatta non sappia leggere, sicuramente sta architettando una vendetta.
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❗️❗️Purtroppo non potrò partecipare: per questo metto a disposizione il mio #PassStampa a chi fosse interessato. Se ti/vi serve, scrivimi e lo giro io.
Mercoledì e giovedì prossimi (10–11 settembre) #Berlino si trasformerà nel centro dell’#IntelligenzaArtificiale: sono attesi oltre 8.000 ospiti al #BIGBANGKIFESTIVAL presso la #AlteMünze (Molkenmarkt 31, 10179 Berlino) – il più grande evento #B2B d’#Europa dedicato all’#IA.
Il festival non è un convegno specialistico per pochi esperti, ma 1/n
Fosse per me vieterei gli Airbnb. O meglio, vuoi aprire una attività di ricezione? Apri la partita iva tesoro e rispetta le norme di sicurezza. E poi ti fai vedere, non lasci le chiavi dentro quelle dannate minicassaforti che ti esimono dal presentarti ad aprire e mostrare la casa. Non è che dobbiamo diventare amici, è una compravendita vacanziera, ma almeno lo sbattimento di muovere il culo puoi anche farlo. Non ti garba quanto sopra? Tieni gli appartamenti sfitti apposta? Te li tasso come la morte, vediamo quanta voglia hai di continuare a fare lo stronzo. Il b&b non esiste più. Forse forse in paesini sperduti trovi ancora chi ti affitta una stanza di casa sua e ti siedi con lui a fare colazione, pane burro e marmellata (o cipolle e formaggio di capra, a seconda di quanto a est ci si sposta in Europa). Tutto il resto è falsità
"Riprendiamoci il diritto di riparare! Aiutarci a far arrivare questo manifesto in ogni laboratorio, hackerspace e garage di tutto il mondo!" (#IFIXIT)
La #mastofficina è a disposizione di chiunque voglia ripararsi qualcosa, ci sono materiali di consumo a disposizione gratuitamente e c'è pure della birra in frigo, oltre allo know-how che ci metto io.
Secondo te quante persone arrivano ogni giorno?
Mi tocca controllare la data di scadenza della birra!
@GustavinoBevilacqua no ma seriamente, è un'idea bellissima. Devo cercare una cosa del genere anche dalle mie parti... Poi quel manuale online per riparare qualsiasi cosa è un vero gioiello. 💎
Ma ogni tanto qualche persona si mette una mano sulla coscienza, come il tipo che mi portò 12 cavoli in cambio di 4 fori su una piastra per la motozappa.
@GustavinoBevilacqua che bellezza, vorrei tanto vivere nella tua zona per venire a trovarti.
Comunque stampo il manifesto e vedo se qualche realtà "schierata" della zona è interessata a mettere in piedi una cosa simile (o magari ce l'ha già e io non lo so), è davvero un'idea splendida.
Io ho armadietti pieni di roba che non voglio buttare perché "un giorno la riuserò". Potrebbe essere la volta buona.
Per darti un'idea di cosa ho sotto mano mi sono fatto un database MySql per sapere dove sono le cose… ma non ho ancora avuto il tempo di popolarlo completamente, mi sono fermato a circa 18000 viti.
Risultati SORPRENDENTI da un nuovo studio su Nature Neuroscience: la sola vista di un malato attiva il sistema immunitario prima del contatto fisico. Immergiamoci in questa ricerca che ci offre un punto di vista veramente particolare. 🧪 1/7www.nature.com/articles/s41...
Serino et al. show that seeing an infectious avatar approach the body in virtual reality triggers an immune response, indicating that the brain prepares the body to fight infections even for perceived, but not real, threats.
Gli scienziati hanno utilizzato la realtà virtuale per esporre un gruppo di volontari a soggetti avatar infetti, ovvero figure umane digitali che tossivano e accusavano segni di malattia. Questi avatar si sono avvicinati pian piano ai volontari, senza mai "toccarli". 2/7
All'avvicinarsi dell'avatar malato le aree fronto-parietali (coinvolte nella percezione dello spazio attorno alla persona), mostravano un'intensa attivazione. Dopo una selezione degli stimoli più rilevanti il tutto si è tradotto in un forte segnale del sistema immune. 3/7
A livello ematico è stato osservato un aumento della mobilitazione delle cellule linfoidi innate, le sentinelle immunitarie. Un'attivazione simile si era già vista nei partecipanti a cui era stato somministrato un vaccino antinfluenzale, cioè esposti a un patogeno reale. 4/7
Il cervello sembra predire un pericolo e attivare le difese prima ancora che il corpo sia infettato. Utilizzando anche tecniche di elettroencefalografia e risonanza magnetica funzionale, i ricercatori hanno misurato una risposta cerebrale multisensoriale e con l'avatar...5/7
...malato/infetto questo effetto si verificava in tutte le distanze simulate, indicando quindi un carattere anticipatorio. Lo studio mostra per la prima volta che il sistema nervoso e immunitario rispondono in modo coordinato a potenziali minacce, anche senza contatto diretto. 6/7
Necessarie ulteriori ricerche per verificare se questi risultati siano generalizzabili per altre fasce d'età, con altri tipi di stimoli o altri biomarcatori immunitari. Per ora rimane un risultato molto interessante che deve essere approfondito. Buona domenica amici!🌞 7/7
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I need to tell you something unsatisfying: your personal consumption choices will not make a meaningful difference to the amount of enshittification you experience in your life.
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Oh sure, you can tinker in the margins, and you should! Get a repairable laptop, like the Framework, which is the greatest computer I've ever owned, and run Linux on it (I use Ubuntu, which is easy to install). You'll spend two weeks looking around the UI for the thing you need to click on and then you'll stop noticing it altogether, forever:
Access the internet via RSS, and avoid all the algorithmic twiddling and surveillance that subjects you and yours to the depredations of the worst people on earth and their feral algorithms:
Give preference to high-security, private, open messaging tools like Signal. Open an account on a federated social media service, like Mastodon, and make it a first-class home for your online social life:
Do all this! Do more! You'll make your life somewhat better, and in some cases, *much* better. But you're not going to fight enshittification this way. Enshittification is not the result of people making bad choices: it's the result of bad *policies* that produce bad *systems*.
Enshittification makes for a neat *descriptive* account, talking about how platforms go bad:
> Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves.
But the most important part of enshittification is its *causal* hypothesis: the answer it proposes to *why* this degradation is happening *everywhere*, right *now*:
Here's why you're getting enshittified: we deliberately decided to stop enforcing competition laws. As a result, companies formed monopolies and cartels. This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete.
It means that they can handily capture their regulators, because they can easily agree on a set of policy priorities and use the billions they've amassed by not competing to capture their regulators. They can hold a whip hand over their formerly powerful tech workers, mass-firing them and terrorizing them out of any Tron-inspired conceits about "fighting for the user." Finally, they can use IP law to shut down anyone who makes technology that *disenshittifies* their offerings.
You can take care to avoid enshittification, you can even make a fetish out of it, but without addressing these *systemic* failings, your individual actions will only get you so far. Sure, use privacy-enhancing tools like Signal to communicate with other people, but if the only way to get your kid to their little league game is to join the carpool group on Facebook, you're going to *hemorrhage* data about *everything* you do to Meta.
Likewise, you can use privacy-preserving adblockers in your browser, but the instant you've got to do business with a monopoly that requires you to use their app, you will be totally helpless before them, because anti-circumvention law felonizes modifying an app so it preserves your privacy. An app is just a webpage skinned with the right kind of IP law to make it a jailable offense to install an ad-blocker:
When all your friends are going to a festival, are you really going to opt out because the event requires you to use the Ticketmaster app (because Ticketmaster has a monopoly over event ticketing)? If so, you're not gonna have a lot of friends, which is a pretty shitty way to live.
If you turn your personal campaign to live an enshittification-free life into a set of rigid practices that isolate you from your community, you will be miserable - and *you will undermine your ability to address the systemic roots of enshittification*.
That's because systemic problems have *systemic* solutions. They are addressed through mass movements, impact litigation, political action, street uprisings, mutual aid, and other forms of solidarity and community.
The monsters who benefit from the status quo don't want you to know this. They want to brainwash you with Margaret Thatcher's mantra, "There is no such thing as society." They want you to think that you are a pathetic, atomized individual. They want you to die in a heatwave while gasping out your profound regret for not recycling more diligently and taking more care with your "carbon footprint."
They want you to drive around for hours looking for an independent cardboard seller to make your protest sign with, convinced that it's more important to avoid shopping on Amazon than it is to actually show up at the protest outside the Amazon warehouse. They want you to curse yourself for failing to cycle and take the bus in your city where there are no bike lanes and the buses run every 45 minutes and stop at 8PM.
If you wanted a livable city, you should have made better consumption choices! Perhaps you could dig your own subway, ever think of that, hmmm?
You, me and everyone we know have all been subjected to a 40-year blitz of anti-solidaristic propaganda, aimed at convincing us that we are only allowed to fight the system as individuals. Don't like your health care? Shop around! Don't like your boss? Quit your job!
To make changes, you have to exist in society. Yes, the Democratic Party is a weak and pathetic failed gerontocracy, but the Democratic Socialists, the Sunrise Movement, and other political groups that are independent of the Dems but still drag them into doing something good, sometimes, all deserve your support.
Yes, the union movement squandered the Biden years, refusing to spend its record-setting cash reserves on organizing, despite the millions of workers *begging* to join unions. But workplace democracy remains the only way that we ever have - or ever will - defeat capital, so join a union, form a union, support a union:
Yes, plastic recycling is a scam cooked up by the petrochemical industry and all the plastic you stick in your blue bin either goes to an incinerator or a landfill, but if you don't support (and join up with) real environmental activists, you're going to roast alive:
Yes, Israel is committing a genocide and Brown, Columbia, and other elite universities are capitulating to Trump, whose evangelical base believes that war in Israel will hasten the Second Coming, when all Jews will be cast into eternal damnation. But that doesn't relieve you of your responsibility to act to defend our Palestinian brothers and sisters from the death rained down on them with the weapons our governments send to Israel.
My book on *Enshittification* is coming out in a couple of months, and the early reviews are already coming in, and they are gratifyingly glowing. But there's a trend in these reviews, a caveat that reviewer after reviewer has raised: my book is "short on individual solutions."
You're goddamned right it is. Because this isn't an individual problem, it's a systemic one.
Sure, live the best life you can, making the best choices you can. But don't kid yourself that this is fighting enshittification.
The reason corporations spy on you isn't because you're too cheap to pay for media, so they must resort to surveillance advertising. Whether or not you pay a tech company, they will absolutely spy on you:
The reason they can spy on you is that the US hasn't had a new consumer privacy law since 1988, when the Video Privacy Protection Act banned video store clerks from disclosing which VHS cassettes you took home. This is the last technological threat to our privacy that Congress has addressed. The reason you are spied upon is because there are no systemic consequences for this surveillance:
The reason gig companies misclassify their workers as contractors in order to abuse them, steal their wages, and deny workplace protections is *because they can* - not because workers are insufficiently choosy about their employment.
To fight systemic problems you need to be part of a systemic solution.
For 23 and a half years, I've worked for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the most enshittification-fighting organization in the world:
EFF is a member-supported nonprofit. We rely on donors like you, and squeeze our budget hard. For as long as I've been with EFF, I've heard smears about how we're shills for Big Tech and dependent on them for our funding (hilariously I once heard that EFF's reps to a meeting were transported to it in a stretch limo paid for by Intel - except *I* was the rep at that meeting, and I took the bus). Here's all of our financial disclosures, see for yourself:
The Electronic Frontier Foundation is a donor-funded, US 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization. Our tax ID number is 04-3091431. For an in-depth look, please see our most recent annual report, Form 990, and Donor Policy.
Donating to EFF is one way to fund the systemic rejection of enshittification. But if you want to *join* the fight - if you want to be part of a community that fights back - then you need to know about the Electronic Frontier Alliance (EFA):
EFA is a network of independent community groups that EFF helps coordinate and advise. When one group is in trouble, we connect it with other groups that have overcome the same troubles.
When one group scores a victory, held other groups replicate its successes in their towns. Our organizers also help people in communities that *don't* have EFA affiliates start groups and join the network.
I get it: this is harder work than changing your consumption habits. But it's infinitely more rewarding. You're more than a consumer. You can aspire to more dignity than is afforded to an ambulatory wallet:
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Hey, German-speakers! Through a very weird set of circumstances, I ended up owning the rights to the German audiobook of my bestselling 2022 cryptocurrency heist technothriller *Red Team Blues* and now I'm selling DRM-free audio and ebooks, along with the paperback (all in German and English) on a Kickstarter that runs until August 11:
Is there a website or account somewhere from which I could get information about starting an EFA organization? There are none in my state, let alone in my community.
To join the EFA we ask groups have at least three active members, and have been active for at least three months. If you are just getting started, you are welcome to reach out to current EFA groups or the EFF organizing tem at organizing@eff.org for guidance. We also provide a number of useful EFA toolkits geared towards new organizers
#Enshittification is enclosure by a new name. Capitalists have always used the structure of capitalism to avoid market competition because capitalism and markets are sometimes at odds.
I've created four "paradoxes" to describe how market capitalism undermines itself:
1. Property rights limit competition 2. Property rights enforcement invites exploitation 3. Markets reward secrecy but need transparency to function well 4. Market success undermines market competition
@MidniteMikeWrites I'm familiar with enclosure obviously, but Enshittification isn't "enclosure by another name."
It describes the forces that historically prevented enclosure; it describes the policies that led to enclosure, and it specifies a sui generis mechanism, unique to digital tools, for extraction after enclosure.
That’s fair. I said this because the use of property rights to create inescapable sites of extraction is the most salient part of enshittification for me. It’s also an easy (perhaps lazy) shorthand for pointing to how companies abuse political power.
But you’re right. There are specific whys and hows that make naive comparisons to enclosure unable to grapple with modern power. More reason to read your book!
well, never underestimate the power of change in society through change in the neighborhood. If you buy an electric car as the first one around and show them how great it is, you can make a change. It’s a myth that there is no impact on others by what we do and how we do it. My grandmother used to say: „Do good and tell people. This way they will be encouraged to do good, too.
@holgerpatzelt Contrariwise, don't overestimate how much inspiring incremental change will matter if it isn't a bridge to affecting the 100 or so firms that are responsible for the climate emergency, by directly regulating their activities and shutting down most of them.
"To make changes, you have to exist in society. Yes, the Democratic Party is a weak and pathetic failed gerontocracy, but the Democratic Socialists, the Sunrise Movement, and other political groups that are independent of the Dems but still drag them into doing something good, sometimes, all deserve your support."
I agree. The DSA is trying to fill that gap. We've even started trying to fill the media gap in the SF Bay Area with our own worker-focused online newspaper, called the Bay Area Current - just launched in April. bayareacurrent.com/
In ritardo, ma non troppo, scopro che #TheCure hanno dato in pasto il loro "Songs of a Lost World" a 24 artisti e remixer da #FourTet passando passando per #Mogwai arrivando agli #Orbital per citare solo quelli che ricordo al volo ma ogni pezzo non è solo reinterpretazione ma una vera e prorpia espansione del lavoro originale.
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I want Elon on a one way 🚀 to Mars
I resist all AI use
I don't want any data centres
I want TotalEnergies to stop drilling and to start paying
#klimahandling #dkgreen
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#WorldrEvolution Death is life :
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We don't need AI. AI needs us.
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I dont want to destroy the house of our children
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