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U.S. Department of Justice seeks to dismiss Boeing criminal case over 737 MAX crashes; victims’ families plan to object
On May 29, 2025, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) informed families of victims from the two fatal Boeing 737 MAX8 crashes that it had filed a motion to dismiss its criminal fraud case against Boeing. Instead of going to trial, the DOJ proposes a non-prosecution agreement (NPA), sparking outrage from families who lost loved ones in the crashes that killed 346 people.
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Reconditioning a Vintage CRT Tube
Plenty of readers will be familiar with CRT televisions, not least because many of us use them with retrocomputers and consoles. But perhaps fewer will have worked with CRTs themselves as components, and of those, fewer still will be familiar with the earlier generation of tubes. In the first few decades of color TV the tubes were so-called delta gun because their three electron guns were arranged in a triangular form. [Colorvac] has put up a video in which they demonstrate the reconditioning of one of these tubes from a late-1960s Nordmende TV.
The tube in question isn’t one of the earlier “roundies” you would find on an American color TV from the ’50s or early ’60s, instead it’s one of the first generation of rectangular (ish) screens. It’s got an under-performing blue gun, so they’re replacing the electron gun assembly. Cutting the neck of the tube, bonding a new neck extension, and sealing in a new gun assembly is not for the faint-hearted, and it’s clear they have both the specialist machinery and the experience required for the job. Finally we see the reconditioned tube put back into the chassis, and are treated to a demonstration of converging the three beams.
For those of us who cut our teeth on these devices, it’s fascinating.
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'Everest Man' from Nepal claims record 31st summit
Sherpa guide Kami Rita has broken his own record for the most climbs of Mount Everest. The 55-year-old scales the 8,849-meter (29,032-foot) mountain every year.
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Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
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Eastern Turkiye. February 1980.
Lonely Planet’s “Across Asia on the cheap” describes Eastern Turkiye as the harshest part of the country and as “the area where the opium poppies used to grow and ... the kids, if not egged on by their parents are certainly not restrained and specialise in hurling stones through car windows.”
My bus ‘Befa’ was flagged down several hours inside the Turkish border, on route to Erzurum. Snow was ankle high. A tall, authoritative police superintendent sauntered up to Iain’s cab window, leaned his elbow against the window frame and, other hand out-stretched, palm up, demanded our bus paperwork. He had an intelligent savvy face, hardened by both the summer sun and winter wind.
Flicking through our paperwork and apparently finding one item out of date, he curtly summoned Iain and I to the police station, a spartan wooden building to the side of the road. Beside it was a huge pile of chopped wood in a corrugated iron lean-to.
Inside, the wooden floors were strewn with well-worn Turkish kilims and peasant rugs. Three filing cabinets, a large wooden desk cluttered with disorganised paperwork and two smaller tables for and the red deputies completed the furniture. A stern Mustafa Kemal frowned down from a photo above the main desk. Beside a clock hung the superintendent’s tertiary qualifications.
Iain and I downed bitter black cay and gratefully warmed ourselves in the heat emanating from the pot-bellied stove. On it sat a double tea-pot, samovar style. The commandant was less concerned with the legitimacy of our paperwork and more about chatting to foreigners. “Where are you from? Where are you going?” He was keen to boast that he was one of the youngest police chiefs in the country. “I am not surprised,” I thought, “this cold, remote location would hardly be sought after by qualified competition.” He was more astute than Barney Fife’ (the archetypal overzealous, inept deputy from the ‘60s ‘The Andy Griffiths Show’) but this was far from a thriving metropolis.
As time ticked on, my attention waned and my vision glazed over until, looking through his window, smudged and smeared by road dust ... I was stupefied to see three female punters possessing generous bare bottoms squatting to pee on the far side of our bus. I hastily rose, stuttered and blustered a few hasty words to distract the chief’s attention, thinking we were amazingly culturally insensitive. He DID see the three female butts but didn’t mind and, stifling a wry grin, waved away my apologies ...
When questioned later the three flashers (or was that mooners?) apologised profusely saying they were caught short! There was a nearby farmer checking his fences so they had limited choices. They were going to flash someone! I thought the obvious solution would have been to ask to use the police station’s facilities.
Fifteen minutes later, youths just outside a small township threw missiles accurately and smashed a back window. They scattered before we could catch them. The ‘inflated ego’ police chief also arrived, but could not find the culprits!
The tour before, buses Casper and Rags had taken the alternative Tahir Pass, 2400+ feet above sea level. Demanding. Hence I thought for Befa, the military road at lower altitude would be easier. On Casper, I was roused from my sleeping bag just before midnight. “ Everyone out!” Still groggy from slumping into a deep sleep after an extended driving period, I descended into a snow storm. Guaranteed to have you awake in seconds. Icy cold. Stinging snow was sleeting down diagonally to assault my face and hands. Casper was descending a winding gravel incline down a gully. Steep banks on either side. Inching along. Sliding. I went cab-side where Loxley shouted “Walk in front of the bus, Ian. Can we grip the road or will we slide into that bank?”
The next fifteen minutes was bitterly cold. I was inadequately dressed. The snow was bright in the glare of the spotlights but beyond that it was all guesswork. My face quickly became deadened and my feet were Arctic. I had to stamp them to get circulation moving. My body heat was leaching away … rapidly. Shivering uncontrollably, I glanced at Casper and through the headlights I could see the wipers swiping snow away in a metronomic rhythm. Behind them Loxley was squinting, peering, rubbing the condensation away from the inside, endeavouring to see the way forward.
Eventually the gradient straightened and flattened out. The punters clambered back in and we made progress.
The next morning, Casper and Rags were confronted with a Turkish articulated truck blocking the road. It’s cab hung precariously over a bank. The driver had experienced similar icy issues the night before. Other drivers looked subdued. They puffed on cigarettes and conversed. Stamping up and down on the berm’s mud to see if it could take a heavy weight, I stood with Trevor, both silently taking the situation in and weighing up our options. It was the first time I’d seen Trevor go so long without uttering a word. His mind was working overtime. I pointed out a possible way to get our buses around the truck. Trevor pondered.
The passing manoeuvre was successful with Casper but Rags, quickly descended further into the soil to tilt alarmingly. Steve in the cab seemed remarkably calm. Unfazed. I later learned Lodekka’s could lean over to an angle of twenty-eight degrees before toppling. A Turkish lorry came to our rescue. Trevor asked if he had a strong cable which he then wrapped around the two towing lugs attached to Rag’s chassis.
By reversing, Rags was successfully hauled out of the quagmire.
Your guide to moving away from Gmail and finding a new email service!
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Moody’s Blues Come for US Sentiment
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2025-05-19/downgrade-moody-s-blues-come-for-us-sentiment?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
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Google releases a standalone NotebookLM app for Android (Abner Li/9to5Google)
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Google launches NotebookLM for Android
As previewed earlier this month, Google on Monday released the NotebookLM app for Android ahead of I/O 2025...Abner Li (9to5Google)
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Skype is Shutting Down on May 5th
In a move that could have been seen coming from at least a decade away, Microsoft has confirmed that the Skype service will be shutting down on May 5. This comes after an intrepid person stumbled over a curious string in the latest Skype for Windows preview. This string seemed intended to notify the user about the impending shutdown, telling them to migrate to Teams instead.
Skype was originally created in 2003 by a group of European developers, where it saw some success, with the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011. Much like other messaging services, each Skype user has a unique ID, but there is also integration with phone services around the world. When Microsoft overhauled the user interface in 2017, this caused a split between ‘classic’ UI fans and the heretics who liked the new interface.
With Microsoft not really finding a way to stop the bleeding of users by this time, and with its nascent Teams service enjoying success despite any complaints anyone might have about it, it seems that now the time has come where Skype will be put out to pasture. For the handful of Skype users still left today, the options are to either download your data before it’s erased, or to move your user account to Teams.
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@RaccoonForFriendica version 0.4.1 has been finally released! I was waiting to fix a couple of old issues but I realized I was keeping people waiting too much since almost 2 months had passed since the previous stable version.
If you were on the latest beta, the only new feature is the possibility to see in every timeline the "source platform" each post is coming from (Friendica, Mastodon, Lemmy, Misskey/Sharkey, Pleroma/Akkoma, Kbin/Mbin, WordPress, GNU Social, Pixelfed, Peertube, GoToSocial, Diaspora, generic ActivityPub and more are coming).
If you were using 0.4.0 there are a ton of improvements, the most important of which are:
- feat: add per-user rate limits;
- feat: suggest hashtags while typing;
- feat: swipe navigation between posts;
- feat: exclude stop words from timelines;
- feat: add shortcuts to other instances ("guest mode");
- feat: open post detail as thread;
- feat: post translation;
- feat: followed hashtag indication;
- feat: show source protocol for posts;
- enhancement: support for embedded images.
This version is also available in the production track on Google Play, so you don't have to participate in the beta program any more to get it.
Let me know what you think about it, enjoy your weekend and as always #livefasteattrash
#friendica #friendicadev #androidapp #androiddev #fediverseapp #raccoonforfriendica #kotlin #multiplatform #kmp #compose #cmp #opensource #foss #procyonproject
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Btw, is it intended that Raccoon is not restorable with Neo Backup?
After restore it crashes after launch. Not sure why, didn't have time to have a look at logcat.
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Ok seen it. It is due to encrypted shared preferences (used to store on device your auth token). It fails to open after you restore the app, probably due to failure to decrypt them because the key changes when you reinstall it. I'll investigate more to see if there are workarounds.
Seemingly it is a known issue.
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⚠️SOS Fedidb⚠️
Ciao @dansup
my Friendica server poliverso.org (currently the second Friendica server in the world for active users) is no longer among the servers registered by fedidb.org
I also wrote an issue: github.com/fedidb/issues/issue…
Can you help me in some way?
Server poliverso.org not found (but the server works and has always been registered by fedidb) · Issue #54 · fedidb/issues
Describe the bug The Poliverso.org instance has always been correctly registered by fedidb, but the page https://fedidb.org/network/instance/poliverso.org returns the following message: 404 Server ...GitHub
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Indeed. One of the Fediverse's strengths is that, like ec.social-network.europa.eu/ any country or coalition could set up an official and hardened server that assures the public of a trusted source of information dissemination.
The time for this is now.
European Commission on Mastodon
Mastodon instance managed by the European Commission.Mastodon hosted on ec.social-network.europa.eu
The new paradigm is quality over quantity.
The trustworthy, not corrupted communication is key.
AI, algorithms, aggressive agents make a quality communication impossible.
The future belongs to the brave ones.
Go for Fediverse.
DO IT NOW.
"What's to stop Musk, who's already tried meddling with German elections, from seizing Zelenskyy's, or any other European leader's X account"
If Musk does that, it would only accelerate the currently rapid decline in usage and value of a server he paid $44 billion to gain control over.
@elCelio Musk seems to be following a 'chaos capitalism' model similar to Trump's where the gains of a previous venture give leverage in the higher stakes next one, all the while previous stepping stones are destroyed and abandoned along with their debts.
Tesla car sales have collapsed in Europe as no-one wants to buy or be seen in a swasticar.
People/Companies should at least post on multiple platforms.
If you are or know a decider on where to post for press statements, please consider posting on mastodon in addition to where you do now.
Not for your sake, but for ours. Early adopters might get some extra love though, so it might be worth for you as well 😛
What stops Musk from cancelling Ukraine's ability to use Starlink?
Nothing. I expect that will be announced tomorrow at the latest.
"¿Qué puede impedir que Musk, que ya ha intentado interferir en las elecciones alemanas, se apodere de la cuenta X de Zelensky o de cualquier otro líder europeo y publique algo con consecuencias geopolíticas nefastas? Ya hemos superado el punto en el que es sensato que los líderes e instituciones europeos dependan de una presencia en X, y otras plataformas estadounidenses tampoco son una buena solución a largo plazo. Más personas deberían seguir el ejemplo de @EUCommission y proporcionar sus actualizaciones directamente, sin intermediarios, a través del fediverso."
@adventure_tense It's pretty clear now that X and Facebook have migrated into being tools of right wing propaganda. To be using them (as well as Threads), is to be willing to expose oneself to that toxicity and feel it won't harm one's self.
It will.
Nothing.
But to be honest, #Musk can also play stupid games with Ukraine's internet.
@EUCommission @briankrebs
I never understood why democratic institutions or officials publish statements via a platform which is privately owned and in a foreign country instead of publishing a news release on a server they control.
I recommend to write/talk to our official again and again and remind them. For instance with the question: I saw xy statement from you on X, is it fake or can you confirm ?
Thanks @EUCommission for regaining control
tpfkaTwitter is not my big fear from the goofy super-villain.
half of Ukraine *was* relying on the Musk monopoly #Starlink for a while, lets hope they found back-up systems.
I would think if he did it would be an instant banning of all his companies and hold all funds
Hugz & xXx
The European Commission is on Bluesky too: bsky.app/profile/ec.europa.eu, but hopefully they’ll be able to switch to their own PDS or one based in Europe one day…
#Bluesky #ATProtocol #Europe #EU
Why to stop Musk or anyone in speaking?
Because nobody is skilled to answer him? Realy?
Free speech is the diverence between a freedom or tyrany. Are whe for a tyrany or for freedom?
Humanity know for ages, even since the beginning, misleading speaches. Whe have Sects, Kings, KGB, Mosad, CIA, USAID, NSA and a million other organisations with the most important purpose of misinformation. Freedom survived with al of them. But when speech is forbidden everyone dieds.
when will be the time to leave?
Here is a paper by Christine Lemmer-Webber that explains the differences of architecture between ActivityPub and ATProto.
My understanding (as a "normie") is that #Bluesky needs a very powerful central relay to have a God's eye on all others, so that messages (which are duplicated rather than being transmitted) are delivered to their recipient.
Hope this helps!
Technologically this is pretty easy to accomplish. For example, many (if not most) of the Fediverse-compatible server platforms allow for anonymous browsing of posts. So even now there is no real restriction for people that merely wish to read communications. Replicating those feeds onto a more “classic” website server instance is not that complicated from a coding or server admin standpoint.
So the capability to do that is already there.
that's going to be the point where world politics will hopefully no longer be played out on social media....
On the other hand: there is an expression in German "don't wake sleeping dogs", meaning: don't give them ideas they have maybe not yet had. @EUCommission
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Schools are removing analogue clocks from exam halls as teenagers 'cannot tell the time'
Schools are removing analogue clocks from examination halls because teenagers are unable to tell the time, a head teachers’ union has said.Camilla Turner (The Telegraph)
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You're right it's good to prepare young people for challenges. Still, that should mean challenges that would come up anyways, not artificially making things more difficult.
It's good to know how to read an analog clock, just like it's good to be able to read cursive. But both of them are outdated and aren't inherently required in day to day life. Inserting them into a testing situation that's meant to test something else is creating an unnecessary challenge.
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Except, a pressure gage reads the number it's pointing at. Not 1 hand means the number it's pointing at and the other means 5 times the most recent digit passed plus 1 for each tick mark.
I'd wager that most people would never even see a pressure gage with two hands. Dual-indicating double-bourdon tube differential pressure gages are quite rare in the real world. Usually for that kind of application you'd go digital.
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Sometimes they have it written on the clockface. I don't think that's a general rule though.
In the same way there are digital clocks that can be wrong too though.
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Kids cant ask the teacher for the time?
At my school, because the clock was always between 2 and 10 minutes wrong, the students(mostly me) would just raise their hands and ask how much time they have left
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I wrote the reply before reading the article so i didnt think of digital clocks being the alternative(i also never seen a digital clock in real life excluding smart devices)
Also, i was referencing the part of the comment that said that kids were misreading the time(do kids rely on analog clocks that may be wrong during tests?) , not saying that the problem shouldnt be fixed
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Knowing a clock is more than just telling time.
When you're walking with your homies you gotta be able to call out "gyat 3 o'clock" , so your fellow bros know where to look.
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Honestly, how often do you read analog clocks?
I mean, I learned it as a child, but it's been probably months since I actually had the need to read an analog clock, and I'm just not used to it anymore. I have to think about it, 20 years ago it was just my spine doing the thinking and it felt effortless.
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Wristwatches are just jewelry at this point tbh. They've been rendered completely redundant by cell phones. The only people under 60 who wear them are doing so as a fashion statement.
I'm sure a lot of wristwatch stans will downvote me but I don't care I'm still right
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With an analogue watch face I can work out the time, blurred lines can be seen.
Cant read blurred numbers.
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Ever since college I've always worn a cheap watch on my wrist least for the same reason my grandpa stopped keeping a pocket watch: its more convenient to check on your wrist for the time than your pocket.
Granted we're getting way off topic here since except for a few years its ways been a digital watch. Asserting analog watches are more numerous in models when digital watches are more numerous in sales, therefore reading an analog clock is a useful skill is odd to me. When I was wearing an analog watch for my allergies it was a flieger because the mental tax of making the hands turn into a singular time was a frustration.
I learned, though, from this that how you present time changes how you perceive time. Kids who grow up with digital representations of time consider "the current moment" in a much narrower and instantaneous scope than people who grew up thinking of time as being a spectrum on a dial
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Sounds like divisive bullshit.
After all the millennial horseshit we had to hear in the 2010's and we're just gonna turn around and do the same shit, huh?
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I'm not gonna do that, fuck that. I do hope this much screen time is ok for kids, even as a young programmer I didn't have an iPad everywhere. Nobody seems concerned about their privacy, but guess what: neither did my millennial peers.
I think everything will be ok with alpha and Z. Let's not repeat our the mistakes of our parents.
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I think it's important to not give certain things the benefit of the doubt. This clock stuff is just plain stupid to get bent out of shape about, but the other two are serious concerns.
This is just anecdotal, but I was a late 90's kid that had as much screen time as I wanted growing up. I played an absurd amount of videogames, and had to be dragged outside by my siblings or I could comfortably stay indoors in front of a game or the internet for hours on end. I spent most of my early years (age 3 to age 15) in front of a screen. Yet, I did just fine in school, got a degree, and now work as a software engineer. I fell in love with my highschool sweetheart, and after waiting until I had my degree, we got married at 23, almost 10 years after we started dating. It felt like my obsessive amounts of screen time as a kid didn't have any negative side effects to my life as a whole (outside of being a quiet and reserved person, and some could argue that that's not a negative) and led me down a successful career path.
However, I don't think kids these days have the luxury of doing that anymore. The content put in front of me as a kid was games made by teams that were passionate about the thing they were working on. Forums and early YouTube videos were created by some no name person with the hope of sharing something they openly cared about. Social Media didn't exist yet and once it did, I never really got into it.
The content put in front of children these days is one of three or so things:
1. Mindless dribble. (looking at you, Youtube Kids)
2. Rushed, broken games made barely finished enough to get people to buy them just to make a quick buck, and the ones that are finished are so heavily tied into marketing it's like the game is basically one big ad. (looking at you, Fortnite and Rocket League)
3. Content made with the express purpose to either gain influencer status, or to use that influencer status to market something, primarily to children who are especially vulnerable to the scummy marketing practices they are using.
Obviously there are exceptions to these everywhere, but I'm talking about the things that are actively being shoved down kids' throats. It's not that I think that the content I consumed was better than what I see kids consuming now, but I think that the motivations behind the content can just as easily influence children as much as the content itself. I think that in a lot of ways, this kind of content is actively degrading kids' brains, and from my experience, it's not the screen time, it's what's being shown on screen that's the issue.
Thankfully I'm tech savvy enough that I can make the internet for my children what it was for me as a kid, without all the marketing and money making schemes that pass as content these days, but a lot of people just toss a tablet in front of their kids and call it parenting.
I was going to rant about privacy as well, but this is getting way too long. Just know that I think digital privacy is really important, and think that we've paid the price for not considering it earlier, and there are ways we can save our kids from the same fate.
Sorry, I tend to write way too much on topics I care about, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
tl;dr - The clock thing is stupid, but please approach the constant exposure to the modern day internet and the digital privacy topics with a bit more scrutiny.
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Sync process? The other comment was talking about the old receivers for the atomic clocks on SW/MW frequencies. It was a one way thing.
Now in theory if a receiver also had GPS they could account for the distance. But, then they'd get far more accurate time from the GPS receiver so..
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Watches are just more convenient. You don't need to carry a phone everywhere and with texts and calls showing on the watch you don't need to find your phone to check.
I use my watch with alarms/ timers to know when I need to clock out or in from lunch etc while I mostly leave my phone at my desk while at work so if I'm walking around the building I still get my alerts through my watch
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You could say it's Same with a digital clock but an analog clock is always the same with circle and 2 hands while I don't know what characters people are trying to do with cursive.
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Yeah I am way out of practice in my cursive. I can still read it but it wouldn't come naturally. Cursive was pounded into my head at a young age. Teachers saying we would used it every day in our lives. That was probably true for them but it was certainly not true for me.
The only time I ever use cursive is signing my name. The only time I read cursive is a letter from my grandparents once they pass that would basically be the end of my cursive reading.
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It's not better, it's just different, your comparison is flawed.
Personally, I prefer analog watches for most cases, because it's much easier for me to do calculations visually. To add 6 to 7/19 on a digital clock I need to turn on my math brain (19+6=25, 25>24 => 25-24=1), but on an analog watch I can just visually read the number opposite of 7.
And that's just one example, there are other cases, besides just being easier to read at a glance. I've used both digital and analog watches since birth, but analog watches are marginally better for daily use, where to the second precision isn't necessary.
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1 if u dont kids how to do a thing they dont learn
2 and more importantly; finally, analog clocks have no place in our wold and every last one should be in trash they serve literally no purpose, i have always hated them and i will delight in their death.
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For office attire or going out, sure.
If you're doing repair work, running lines, etc, a watch is the choice. Your hands are busy, so a watch is what you need (Except for specific trades where you don't want to risk it getting caught in machinery).
I can say with 100% certainty that I know large swaths of folks in their 20's and 30's who regularly wear watches. Some smart, some digital, some analog.
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I've worked in 2 different schools in the IT department and 4 others as a volunteer lecturer (I got a name tag that said Technology Evangelist) I found that putting an analog clock on the screen saver of computers in the classroom was more likely to result in the clock actually being on time.
Too many clocks in classrooms are very old or even battery powered but neglected.
I don't think kids are dumb just they aren't getting a world that is properly maintained by competent people that care about their work and are adequately resourced to do the whole job.
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During my final exams that lasted from may to July they didn’t even bother to set the analog clock to the right hour…
Even for our baccalaureate
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The problem is unless you really use the skill a lot you're not really gonna learn it from school. I had to teach myself how to read analog clocks in highschool cause even though I'm pretty sure I learned it in elementary school I grew up with computers and eventually smart phones so I never had to use it.
Edit: Also for context I was born in 2001
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So what? I don't.
I don't have a smart watch and hardly anybody I know actually owns some analog clock?
Take a look around you. Where are any analog clocks? Church towers, train stations, old people. That's pretty much it. Your smartwatch is a choice. You could just as well use a digital watch face. There is literally no benefit in that case - except your personal preference.
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"Roman numerals to be phased out"
.. Damn gen WW1
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Kids these days do absolutely still know how to read analog clocks.
Besides, they probably shouldn't put effort into that. Those things are close to useless nowadays. It's mostly a case of schools being conservative... but then, it's not that much of an effort, so there are more important things to care about.
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Actually, a lot don't. I mean, like, at least fifty percent. You would be surprised. I don't think it's schools being conservative so much as it didn't occur to teachers and staff that analogue clocks are frankly obsolete (I still like them). I didn't read this article, but it sounds like that's being corrected.
Anyways, I really respect your attitude that it's not worth getting bent out of shape or spending a lot of time on, I think you're right. A lot of people get precious about it or, worse, make fun of kids like they're stupid because they haven't wasted their time learning to read, essentially, a sundial.
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I do know how to read an analog clock, but I dont read it subconciously, because my brain works on digital time, so I will have to look at it and then figure out what that time is if it were on a digital clock.
So if I see an analog clock I would rather look at my phone because that is just quicker than doing the conversion.
If you want to know more, look at the video Technology Connections (2?) did about it.
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Stuff like history, art, and how a fucking analog clock works
Well, I don't exactly disagree... but one of those things is completely different from the others.
I would agree more if we were talking literally about "how an analog clock works" instead of the convention to reading them. But it would still be a niche knowledge that you can take from Wikipedia if it ever becomes relevant to you.
Real talk, is there some benefit to an analog clock that would prevent them from all being replaced by digital ones? Being able to know exactly the time in a moment's glance seems better to me.
They're certainly not better looking than a digital one, considering most of the ones used in schools are just the cheapest and most basic version they can get.
Power requirements maybe? Longevity?
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So what are the purposes? Nobody uses analog clocks anymore so afaict:
- To teach fractions
- Something to do with being a pilot???
What am I missing? 😛
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Clockwise, counter clockwise. Classic time shorthand (IE, half past ten, quarter to eleven). Time estimations (easy to see a half minute on a analog clock, digital just goes from 2:00 to 2:01)
I think analog clock displays are more elegant, and are overall nicer than digital. Personal preference though.
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I'm not saying nobody should learn it, I'm saying it's not a great use of school resources. If you appreciate the aesthetic or functionality, then by all means go out and learn it. I personally like them, but I think that it should remain out of the curriculum for purely practical reasons.
I still don't really see any useful skills that learning an analog clock teaches you, besides how to read an analog clock, which isn't useful because analog clocks are so rare IRL.\
The handful of useful skills they assist teaching isn't worth it because there are better ways to teach those things. The clock isn't so good at teaching all those things that it's worth using the clock instead.
Incomprehension of fraction to decimal conversion is why 90% of people who say they are bad at math, say they are bad at math
I feel called out. I was in high-school Calculus (11th grade) before I "truly" understood fractions. Like, I honestly somehow managed to make it to Calculus without knowing how to add and subtract fractions without a calculator. Thought I was dumb in math until 9th grade algebra, and didn't start becoming a bit of a math nerd until Calculus
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Can't do that with a digital display, can you?
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Being able to know exactly the time in a moment’s glance seems better to me.
That seems more like a pro for analogue to me. It's much easier with an analogue clock since you get a visual presentation of time. Whenever someone tells me a time, I have to first imagine an analogue clock to understand what that time means.
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Genuine question, how precise do you need the time to be? Maybe you actually need precise readings for something. I figured that "on the 5 min marker", "slightly before/behind the 5 min marker" and "in the middle of two 5 min markers" is precise enough for me. And I see a hand at these positions faster than reading numbers.
I think for precise readings (eg. entering the time I start working), the speed is the same for me, but obviously I didn't test this.
I also think looking at the time but still not knowing what time it is a few seconds later happens less on an analog clock.
I don't know how much personal preference influences this though.
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An analog clock is just three sets of loading bars with their ends glued together. You can tell geometrically what proportion of each division of time (day, hour, and minute) are spent and what proportion remains. You don't even need the numbers.
If you need stopwatch-level precision, sure, a digital display is superior. But how often do you need that? Most of what I need clocks for is, "Oh, it's about a quarter to noon, I have a lunch appointment to get to".
It is my personal preference to visually intuit that the clock hands are roughly separating the hour into 3/4 spent and 1/4 remaining and use that to know how much time I have left to the hour, rather than read the symbols "42" on the display and manually do the mental gymnastics of "well that's basically 45, which is three quarters of the way to 60 minutes".
I'll admit this benefit is marginal.
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From a practicality standpoint, a round clockface is easier to create a mechanical drive system for.
You can create a digital mechanical face (see: Flipboard style numerical displays) but they usually require more gears and are more susceptible to wear and tear than the gears of a round clock face.
The simplest designs for mechanical digital displays actually just take 24 hour and 60 minute/second circular displays and hide the other numerals as the clock face spins around. Technically this I suppose counts as both analog and digital?
Example:
As for electronic displays? Nah not much of a reason to use a round display unless again, you have an electric-mechanical drive and want to save on gears and parts.
It's called rhetorical question.
I'd argue that you are a very small minority. Most people under 50 probably barely have any analog clocks around.
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I feel like there's a bit of a difficulty difference. One requires basic spacial understanding. The other requires hundreds of hours of practice to become good. Nevertheless, learning both is a good idea for different reasons. Activating your brains via fine hand coordination is a great activity for children.
As a comparison, think about how much writing chinese children have to learn in school. They don't come out as exactly poorly educated, rather vice versa. Then again, the competetiveness in chinese schools is pretty brutal, at least if I can trust what my chinese colleagues have told me.
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The reason is better is because a number on its own doesn't provide any representation whatsoever of the passing of time. It represents the current observed time, but it does nothing to represent graphically how much of the day is left.
The arguably best representation of the passing of time is a 24h analogue watch/clock, even if that has its own set of issues which make it a terrible way of displaying the current time.
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No one knows how to read a sextant any more. The horror!!
Analog clocks are not really essential technology.
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Who need analog clocks??
Want the time use digital!
Digital is to little use Millitary time?
Millitary time is to small?
Use UNIX TIME
The only thing i really use thats a dial/analog is calipers and micrometers.
Its like veirneer calipers, there just time consuming and inefficient to modern offerings
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Most people under 50 probably barely have any analog clocks around.
Every home/apt of every under 40 year old person I have ever been in has had at least one analog clock. And most have had several.
Also, grandfather clocks are a thing. And they're gorgeous.
Extremely anti-social to act like digital clocks are better - similar to acting like social media and Facetime calls are in any way superior to irl face-to-face interaction - as our current loneliness epidemic demonstrates
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Well you can use the clock for giving headings. "that tree at 10". Then you have historical and ornamental clocks which might be nice to read. Like you can not design a digital clock to look as good as an analog one.
But yeah. Probably not many reasons really
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You can certainly make an argument for young kids, i.e. teaching fractions and literally how to count (counting seconds).
Teenagers? No, not really. They'll all have phones or something to tell the time by a certain age and hopefully they know their fractions / how to count. It might as well just be digital at that point.
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These days so would die also. That said, love me a mechanical clock and have a skeleton watch I daily drive.
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Accessibility.
We will never get rid of the analogue clocks from our school, we're an adult education and alternative model highschool qualifications centre.
We primarily teach adults with no to low English, adults and teens with disabilities, and adults and teens refered via corrections services.
There is a significant level of illiteracy within numeracy, and for some of our students, it's not a failing of the education system, it's just a fact of life given their specific circumstances (eg, acquired brain injuries are common among our students)
Some students can learn to tell time on an analogue clock even if they didn't know before.
But even my students who will never in their life be able to fully and independently remember and recall their numbers can tell the time with an analogue clock.
I tell my students "we will take lunch at 12pm, so if you look at the clock and the arms look like this /imitates a clock/ we will go to lunch"
And now I avoid 40 questions of "when's lunch?" because you don't need to tell time to see time with an analogue clock, they can physically watch the hands move, getting closer to the shape they recognise as lunch time.
And my other students can just read the time, from the clock, and not feel infantalised by having a disability friendly task clock like they've done at other centres I work at - they've had a digital clock for students who can tell time, and a task clock as the accessible clock. But a well designed face on an analogue clock can do both.
I myself have time blindness due to a neurological/CRD issue, so analogue clocks, and analogue timers are an accessibility tool for me as well, as the teacher.
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Depends for me. In my casual day to day I don't but when I had a lot of appointments to meet I find it quicker to check the time on my wrist than bu fumbling for my smartphone in my pocket, something that is probably even more true for women if they store their phone in a small bag due to lack of pockets.
Also, sometimes I like leaving my phone at home because I have unfortunately developed the tendency to give it a short glance whenever I have downtime. If I still need to know the time I can still wear a wristwatch.
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What's next morse code!?!
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Feels like we have a limited amount of time to teach kids and we have more important things to teach them during that time
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It'd be nice if all the fuckin edgelords downvoting had the courage to say what they'd like to remove from the curriculum to make room for fuckin analog clock lessons.
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I use my wristwatch all the time to take dogs’ pulses.
Having a cell phone next to a grumpy dog is asking for a broken cell phone. I’m sure people in other fields need wristwatches as well.
Just because you don’t use them don’t mean they’re not useful.
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No, screw that whataboutism. When I went to school, I learned so much information that is virtually useless to most people, and not nearly enough skills and knowledge that would actually be helpful in daily life. I would like to see the situation improve for future generations.
Analogue clocks are everywhere and being able to read them is still important. Besides, if schools aren't even capable of teaching something so simple to students, I think that calls into question their ability to teach far more complex things.
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Perhaps the fact that we pay them like 30 grand a year is a factor?
That's how much my one bedroom apartment costs 😂 there's no money left over for food or loans or electricity or gas
Financial stress has been proven to make you dumber
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I'm not screaming about the young people; I was "the young people" not that long ago. Not everyone who criticizes education is an out of touch boomer resisting every societal change.
Actually, analogue clocks have been obsoleted in almost every way by digital clocks for at least half a century, as digital wristwatches first hit the market in the 1970s. And yet, analogue clocks are still found everywhere. Classes, stores, train stations, homes, offices, not to mention the majority of wristwatches, still mostly use analogue clocks. In fact, excluding screens, I wouldn't be surprised if most people came across more analogue clocks than digital clocks on a daily basis. They're technologically obsolete, but haven't fallen out of use.
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I have to have an analog clock within sight in the morning. When I first wake up I'm too tired and bleary eyed to think about numbers but I know what angle the minute hand will be at when I have leave to catch the bus to work. When you're familiar with an analog clock it's far more user friendly than looking at some numbers and have to do some math. Sure it's simple math, but first thing in the morning, I'd rather just glance at the minute hand and when I see the angle I just know.
So I don't think it's not going away despite it being obsolete, it's not going away because it's more user friendly. Sure there's a learning curve, but once you've gotten the hang of it, it's a more efficient way for a human to get a sense of time, which in many cases is more important than having a numerical representation of time.
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How is that whataboutism?
It's not that schools have become unable to teach kids to read analog clocks or kids have become unable to learn it. It's not that they can't it's that they don't
But speaking of whataboutism, your argument is literally "well what about all the useless stuff that I learned in school???" \
How about they stop teaching useless stuff, and the first things they can throw out are cursive and analog clocks.
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How so?
I genuinely don't understand the clock-face-reading-is-a-useless-skill opinion so both seem equally important to me.
It floors me just how many people in this thread feel like analog clock reading is a useless/outdated skill.
But I'm of the opinion that there's no such thing as a truly outdated and useless skill, so I'm not sure I have the capability to empathize with those people...
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I perceive remaining time much better with an analogue clock. It's also why I perceive time in fractions. I think it's the superior clock, and people should probably learn to fucking read one since they're everywhere.
I also think it's kind of insane that we're not at least learning how to read cursive in schools anymore. There are countless documents written in English that English speakers will not be able to properly decipher.
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It's not useless.
It's just less useful that other things that should be taught in school. There is only so much time in a school year, and it shouldn't replace those more useful things in the curriculum.
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As a person who prefers analog clocks I disagree
What benefit does analog bring over digital other than nostalgia?
Once is objectively faster to read granularly, by the minute
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For the usability of the clock, likely nothing.
I did mention In another comment that there are a number of advantages a round clockface provides to the creation of the clock, however.
From a practicality standpoint, a round clockface is easier to create a mechanical drive system for.You can create a digital mechanical face (see: Flipboard style numerical displays) but they usually require more gears and are more susceptible to wear and tear than the gears of a round clock face.
The simplest designs for mechanical digital displays actually just take 24 hour and 60 minute/second circular displays and hide the other numerals as the clock face spins around. Technically this I suppose counts as both analog and digital?
Example:
As for electronic displays? Nah not much of a reason to use a round display unless again, you have an electric-mechanical drive and want to save on gears and parts.
I'm a watch nerd with a collection of mechanical watches and I'm not going to downvote you because you're right. I wear them because I like them even though I know they are anachronistic. I can't remember the last time I interacted with somebody significantly younger than me who was wearing a watch, and as I said, I'm a watch nerd, someone's watch is one of the first things I notice about them.
I will say that they are occasionally more convenient than other places I could check the time but I've built my life in such a way that I very rarely have to care about what time it is and I go weeks at a time without checking the time, just wearing them because I'm fascinated by tiny gears and springs doing their business and I like the feeling of it on my wrist.
Technology-wise, most modern “analog” wristwatches are quartz, and therefore digital, not actually analog.
Wat.. that's not how that works. Quartz watches can be digital or analog but what matters is whether it has a digital display or analog hands.
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Fair enough. Most people don’t encounter analog clocks anymore. And many of us have smart watches or phones where we check the time. Since I have a non-analog watch, I don’t find I ever look at analog clocks anymore. If it’s in a room, I just don’t notice it. Growing up, it was important to know, but now I just never have a use for it. Learning is important, but there are so many more interesting and useful things to learn.
You could also make an argument about automatic or manual cars. Sure, we could teach our kids how to drive manual, but why? Most cars are automatic. If they want to have a manual car, they can learn. Otherwise it’s just a useless skill.
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Someone else made a comment and I think it's great so imma plagiarize it-
If kids are taught to read an analog clock early, which isn't very hard to learn, they are getting a leg up on fractions, percentages, and geometry.
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Yea that's kind of what I was thinking when I said eventually handwriting will go the same way.
If people never encounter it and do all their writing on keyboards, it'll eventually be a useless skill as well.
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Analog clocks are kind of annoying tbh. Sometimes you need that little extra energy you have to spend on wondering whether it is 11:37 or 11:38 already by carefully visually bisecting the circle section between 7 and 8.
Millimetres of white space keep you wondering about the nature of analogue vs digital, discrete vs continuous and measurement uncertainty while you have better things to do but cannot just give up on OCDing whether it is exactly 11:37:30 already or maybe it is 11:37:35? And boom in these seconds you were wondering it is already pointless because it is the past and now it is time to wonder if it is 11:38:15 or 11:38:30
Whereas for digital it is just:
oh it is 11:11 on 11.11.11, how cool, life’s good
Thus it is my opinion that analogue clocks are virgins whereas digital are chads
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There's a huge difference between "most clocks" and "most clocks I've seen" - especially if your clock experience is restricted to schools.
Do you see a lot of schools? Do you know whether the schools you've been to all use the same supplier? How broad is your school clock experience? How many clocks do you think you've seen, ever?
Most clocks I've seen recently (I can recall exactly 1) have seconds hands. Regardless though I'm not suggesting "most clocks" have seconds hands...I'm just making a quip about how traditional, analogue, clocks have seconds hands to deal with the exact problems noted.
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And yet in schools they don’t have seconds. Never had
I still have ptsd thanks to that. Can you imagine? No seconds?
This is pure torture that should be forbidden by Geneva convention. So uncivilised
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I cannot fathom such deep despair for I only live in a world of seconds.
God speed my simple friend. God speed.
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I love having an analog clock. It makes it feel like you have more time compared to a digital clock, making me more relaxed. For example, if the time is 12:34 PM, my subconscious will think, "Ahh, shit, 26 more minutes before 1 PM." But with an analog clock, I read it as around half an hour before 1 PM. The visual representation also helps, like seeing that there is a distance that the hands need to travel to reach a certain time.
All in all, I very much prefer having analog clocks vs digital when given the chance.
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Y'all sound like old farts crying about how schools stopped using slide rules and how modern music just isn't as good.
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There is some truth to that, but this doesn't seem like the thing to focus on, if that's the goal. Surely there is a better subject to fulfill those needs.
Like... If we all forgot how to keep time, and we had to invent a new system of time keeping... Surely we could do better than what we have now.
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You sound like someone who doesn't know how to read an analoge clock.
I bet you could figure it out if you looked it up. And you would be better for it ❤️
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You sound like one of those edgelords who acts like grumpy old men who cry at young people for doing things differently.
I bet you could stop talking and everyone would like you better ♥️
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No publisher, no byline, no way to know what the source of the claim is coming from.
But they did include a bit of meme art, so it seems indisputable.
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Yes.
But they don't need to know it. So they stopped teaching it.
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I don't actually believe this is true.
It rather, I imagine that they could get an even greater leg up if that time was spent teaching something else
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🤢 what an utter abomination
This is why puppies die
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I can ready It but i get teens Who dont
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Analog clocks are a better representation of how we think of time than a digital clock.
If someone looks and immediately afterwards someone asks them for the time, they will look at their watch again. The number isn't really what matters, it's "how long until X will happen" that matters more.
You know you're meeting is at 10:30, you see it's 9:55. You know it's about a half hour until the meeting, and the meeting will happen when that big hand gets to the bottom. The numbers themselves won't do that for you, you have to think 60 minutes in an hour, 60-5 = 5 + 30 = 35 minutes away. When you check the digital clock again you see 10:17, so you have to think 30-17 = 13 minutes until the meeting. But with an analog clock it's like a reusable progress bar (well progress arc to be more accurate). Quick glance and you see how far the minute hand has to go and you're good.
Sure the mental math needed to get a sense of time with a digital clock isn't all that hard. But it is an additional step over the adhoc progress arcs that analog clocks provide.
Digital clocks are fine and all, but are just slightly worse than analog clocks. Just how technology is going I guess, always giving us something that's technically more advanced but worse for humans to interface with.
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1030-955=75. So intuitively, it would be 75 minutes until the meeting. Oh wait... maybe it's not intuitive?
210 degree arc is always going to be 35 minutes. Whether it's the 35 minutes from 9:55 to 10:30 or 9:50 to 10:25 or 3:15 to 3:50 or whatever. Sure you have to get used to the arcs. But once you do, it's a quick glance at the minute hand and seeing how far away it is from the time of the meeting (or whatever the next thing is). Time for a computer is a number, time for a human is how long until a thing is going to happen.
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edit to add: My brother recently told me that he was at the library and his friend's teenage daughter looked at the analog clock and said indignantly "I can't read that!" So apparently it is true that people aren't learning simple skills like this.
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I personally know how to read an analog watch but I do it so rarely that it takes a bit of time thinking before I figure it out and convert it to 24 hour time. Because I use digital time absolutely everywhere and never analog time.
Hell I even got a digital wrist watch, mostly because it's easier and faster to read for me but also because it's more accurate. I will admit that the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy also played a role in the purchase.
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But the main reason, It's easier to tell exactly what the time is in seconds when it's digital compared to a fast spinning stick. Not that it really matters, I just like it.
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Wait...you think those are intuitive? Fuck no.
Who's going to intuitively know that "long hand pointing at 2" means "10 minutes after the hour"? Also, having the long hand for minutes is super unintuitive when hours are longer than minutes.
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May not be super intuitive, but getting rid of them is intellectually lazy. If you know an hour is 60 minutes, it makes enough sense.
If an hour is 60 minutes, 60/12 is 5 minutes per number on the clock. Long hand is minutes because there are more minutes in a day than hours. Or at least that's how I can rationalize it.
If you can explain an analog clock that quickly, it's just lazy for them to not learn it. It also has cross application to make people more comfortable with mental math and multiples commonly seen in trigonometry.
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Minutes are the smaller time division with 60 possible values so that hand is longer to reach to the tick marks for easier reading of the exact minute.
The hour hand only needs to distinguish between 12 possible values that are more spread out around the perimeter, so it doesn't need to reach very far to tell which hour out of 12 it is.
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OK let's have a lesson for those who find this difficult. First, remember that little kids pick this up quickly and easily, so you can too!
We all know there are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and 24 hours in a day, right? and that the day is divided into the a.m. of 12 hours and the p.m. of 12 hours.
So analog clocks show those 12 hours as the numbers 1-12 evenly spaced around the clock face. Now look a little closer and you see it's also divided into 60 marks with a tick mark for each of the 60 seconds/minute or 60 minutes/hour. Hang on, we're almost there!
The little hand points to the HOUR number (1-12). If it's in between two numbers, that means the time is in between those two hours.
The big hand points to the MINUTE tick mark. Notice that the 1-12 numbers coincide with each 5th tick mark so it's easy to count them. Just count by 5's! So if the big hand is between the 3 and the 4, that means the minute of the hour is between 15 and 20, look at which tick mark for the exact minute.
Now, can you figure out how the second hand works? Good! Kindergarten dismissed!
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And then we'll be left wondering why we're being kicked out of all our overseas bases. And then why the SEA countries are acquiescing to everything China wants and then why Taiwan gives up major concessions like allotting high quality computer parts to China.
It's all connected.
It's such an easy concept. I can't figure out if they actually don't get it because they are so narcissistic and why would anyone appreciate a few million in aid or if they are just playing stupid to posture to their base and be able to do even worse while everyone is distracted.
I think the later might be more accurate and I'm really curious what else I am missing.
Korea but Cambodia
completely agree about cambodia, nixon's hideous bullshit there is still killing kids through unexploded ord. Korea?
I mean maybe I don't get your gist but we fought a long war there then pretty much occupied the place for the remainder.
Funding all of these things cost every American a grand total of $2.14 each per year (assuming these costs are annual). (729M total cost, 340.1M US population as of July 2024.) He uses these big numbers to make the whole thing seem scary, but the cost is completely insignificant. The average person has no concept of just how much money the government brings in, and how completely meaningless dollar amounts of this magnitude are, and all of these sort of reports take advantage of that to make people angry.
Another way to look at it: The total cost of all of these initiatives is less than 0.1% of the US's annual military budget.
Ooh, ooh, look at the price of a single Tomahawk missile or anything else we regularly blow up, even in training exercises!
You can either aid democracy in South Africa, or have 1 Tomahawk. I wonder which does the most good...
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mechanized #warfare multiplied human death, but a silver lining is less #animalcruelty (they still suffer indirectly, less battlefield usage is the point)
a nice thing about #ukraine's messaging in this war is making a point of showing their kindness to animals
of course, cynically: "it's just #propaganda"
but the sincere choice to emphasize kindness to animals means something
and #russia?
now murdering donkeys for their #ethnofascist bullshit
united24media.com/latest-news/…
Russian Ministry of Defense Reportedly Deploys Donkeys for Frontline Logistics
Russian troops in Ukraine are now using donkeys for transport amid significant military losses, illustrating challenges in conventional logistics.Ivan Khomenko (UNITED24 Media)
Don't diss donkeys. Low carrying capacity and relatively slow, but they can still carry much more than a person can and they can move as fast as infantry can move. They are largely silent whether stopped or in motion. They cost FAR less than vehicles, and don't need heavy supplies or skilled maintenance. They can often forage for their own "fuel". You can eat them if you have to. They are instant cover, they are naturally camouflaged and they can move over all kinds of obstacles that would stop a wheeled or even tracked vehicle.
Not all low tech is bad tech.
"History records that humanity prevails.
Or there would be no human beings at all."
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God, those poor donkeys.
I don't care about the soldiers getting hurt because well, this is a human-made hell. But the donkeys, those poor things.
Okay, I am completely sick about all of this.
Nepal, officially the Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal, is a landlocked country in South Asia. It is known for its rich cultural heritage and the vast diversity in its geography, which includes the Himalayan mountain range. Here are some key points about Nepal:
Geography
- Location: Nepal is bordered by China (Tibet) to the north and India to the south, east, and west.
- Topography: The country is home to eight of the world's ten highest peaks, including Mount Everest, the highest peak in the world. The landscape varies from the fertile Terai plains in the south to the towering Himalayas in the north.
- Climate: Nepal experiences a wide range of climates, from the tropical heat of the Terai to the freezing temperatures of the Himalayas.
Culture
- Ethnic Diversity: Nepal is a multi-ethnic and multi-lingual country with over 125 ethnic groups and 123 languages spoken.
- Religion: The majority of Nepalis are Hindu, but there is also a significant Buddhist population. The country is known for its religious tolerance and harmony.
- Festivals: Nepal celebrates numerous festivals throughout the year, including Dashain, Tihar, Holi, and Buddha Jayanti.
History
- Ancient History: Nepal has a rich history dating back to the Neolithic period. The Kiratis are believed to be the first rulers of Nepal.
- Modern History: Nepal was ruled by the Shah dynasty from 1768 until 2008, when the monarchy was abolished, and the country became a federal democratic republic.
Economy
- Agriculture: Agriculture is the mainstay of Nepal's economy, employing about 65% of the population.
- Tourism: Tourism is a significant contributor to the economy, with trekking, mountaineering, and cultural tours being major attractions.
- Challenges: Nepal faces economic challenges due to its landlocked status, political instability, and underdeveloped infrastructure.
Tourism
- Trekking and Mountaineering: Nepal is a paradise for adventure seekers, offering numerous trekking routes and mountaineering expeditions.
- Cultural Sites: The country is home to several UNESCO World Heritage Sites, including the Kathmandu Valley, Lumbini (the birthplace of Buddha), and Chitwan National Park.
Politics
- Government: Nepal is a federal democratic republic with a multi-party system.
- Constitution: The current constitution was adopted in 2015, establishing Nepal as a secular and inclusive democratic republic.
Challenges
- Natural Disasters: Nepal is prone to natural disasters such as earthquakes, landslides, and floods.
- Development: The country faces development challenges, including poverty, lack of infrastructure, and limited access to education and healthcare.
Nepal is a country of immense beauty and cultural richness, offering a unique blend of ancient traditions and modern aspirations.
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Funding Challenges and the Future of Our Work
Over the past two years Independent Federated Trust and Safety (IFTAS) has provided crucial support to independent, decentralised social media moderators, administrators, and community managers. Our mission has been to equip these individuals with the knowledge, resources, and services needed to create and nurture safe, civil, and inclusive online spaces.
However, despite our best efforts to secure sustainable funding, IFTAS is now facing a critical financial shortfall. Without immediate support, we will be forced to severely curtail our activities in the next 60 days. With our current commitments we will be unable to pay our bills in April.
Therefore we are preparing to scale back our activities and reduce our ability to advocate for better trust and safety standards across decentralised platforms.
At this juncture we are committed to continue fundraising until February 28. If by then we have still failed to source funds, we will begin closing down some of our activities. Any formal announcement of our plans will happen on or after March 1, 2025.
The Funding Challenge
Our founding plan was to source three years of external support from corporate and institutional funders while we built toward self-sustainability. The list of companies we would accept money from is shrinking, and the charitable funding landscape in general has proven to be harder to access than we had hoped.
Like many non-profit organisations operating in the civil society landscape, IFTAS has relied on grants, donations, and partnerships to sustain its work. However, shifts in funding priorities, economic uncertainties, and increased competition for limited resources have made securing financial support increasingly difficult. While our work remains as vital as ever, we have struggled to find long-term funding commitments that would allow us to continue operating at our current capacity.
We are not a research group, we don’t focus on any particular demographic or harm, we are a general purpose charity with routine bills to pay, and this is not the kind of activity most institutional funders want to support.
We have met with dozens of foundations and civil society organisations. We have submitted grant applications and letters of enquiry. We have reached out to hundreds of companies and charities and others that operate in the Fediverse with accounts or their own servers.
For 2024 this outreach raised just short of $10,000, mostly from our community crowdfunding campaign, with about $400 a month in recurring donations.
While we have two grant applications pending, both of them will require us to have matching funds to properly put those grant funds to work. Despite our conversations with companies and nonprofits over the past nine months, we have zero committed funding that we can use to properly sustain our services.
Our 2025/2026 budget plan with Content Classification Service (CCS) included is $1.2M of which we have $300,000 in grants applied for. A large portion of this budget is for the extremely complex legal and content review work that needs to happen to assure this activity’s legality and compliance. If we close CCS we can survive with significantly less funding (but would forego the two grants as they are CSAM-specific), but will then be unable to respond to what our annual surveys consistently tell us is the highest need for Fediverse providers – detecting and reporting CSAM.
There is a possible outcome that includes a significantly reduced IFTAS providing core community services and little else, we will need to carefully examine our ongoing costs and determine what we may be able to support over a longer term.
What This Means for IFTAS and the Communities We Support
If we cannot secure immediate funding, IFTAS will need to:
- Halt new activities and policy guidance: Our ability to analyse emerging threats, develop best practices, and publish guidance for community moderators will be significantly reduced. This includes our work to help manage compliance with the UK’s Online Safety Act.
- Suspend CCS: CCS and its CSAM detection and reporting service online is the most expensive project we operate, and will likely close between March 15 and March 30. The core technology requirements to simply operate the service exceed $60,000 per year, and that doesn’t include the legal advisory and content review support we need to bring this service to the Fediverse in a broader fashion.
- Reduce advocacy efforts: IFTAS has been a voice for decentralised communities in broader trust and safety discussions. Without funding, our participation in these critical conversations will diminish.
- Rethink our scope: Significantly reduce our fundraising goals to support and sustain a much smaller portfolio of activities.
These cuts will leave many independent communities without the resources they need to handle complex trust and safety challenges. It will also reduce the visibility of decentralised networks in discussions about the future of online safety, making it harder to ensure that their needs are considered in policy decisions.
For the time being we anticipate FediCheck and IFTAS Connect staying online for at least the next several months. Our hope is to prepare FediCheck to be open-sourced so the tool can be used independently, and to find a way to sustain the Connect community for as long as possible.
We will never share or in any way disclose the personal data and conversations that we host, so either we keep it online or it will be gracefully shut down with plenty of time to help find a new home for the community.
How You Can Help
Spread the word: Raising awareness about our funding challenges can help us connect with potential funders, partners, and supporters. Share our fundraising overview. We know most funders cannot move quickly, so for now, we are accepting pledges.
Pledge a donation: If you or your organisation can contribute financially, let us know. We are not accepting donations at this time, but we will take your pledges to see if we can reach our funding goals. We need pledges by February 28 so we can make an informed decision about our next steps. Contact us.
Connect us with potential funders: If you know of philanthropic organisations or individuals interested in trust and safety for decentralised communities, we would love to connect. If you know anyone going to RightsCon who might be a good connection, tell us.
Advocate for trust and safety funding: The broader trust and safety field needs more sustainable funding mechanisms. By advocating for increased support for this work, we can help ensure that independent communities are not left behind.
Vote with your feet: Use social networks that are well-moderated and bring you the safety you need online. Support that service financially if you can. Say “thank you” to your moderators.
The Road Ahead
(a note from IFTAS Director Jaz King)
I believe there is no social network that has any sustaining, meaningful value outside of the trust and safety it brings to the table.
There are hundreds of apps and platforms, multiple protocols. Our society is extremely willing to fund the creation of yet more apps and platforms, repeating the cycle of build something new, attract people, wait until they find out it’s an unmanaged mess, watch them leave, build something new – but funding the trust and safety that provides much, if not most of the value is a tough nut to crack.
I started IFTAS with the idea that we can break this cycle and help identify and share the collective wisdom of what works and what doesn’t work so that apps and platforms can benefit from best practice, build a healthy and safe network, and then have IFTAS pay for the bits independent operators can’t afford themselves.
Over the past 18 months IFTAS has raised over $400,000 which has supported Fediverse moderators and administrators with our projects, our advocacy, our services, direct support to Fediverse moderators and developers, and more. In case it needs to be said, I’ve never been paid by IFTAS (or anyone or anything else since 2022), my wife works and it’s her support that has allowed me to take on this work full-time.
Trust and safety sounds boring, often is boring – except for when it’s traumatic – and is not something that I’ve been able to convince anyone to pay for in any meaningful way. Everyone I speak to thinks the work is vital, that our achievements to date are meaningful, but is “not aligned with our current funding goals”.
We’re down, but not out. The above is my signal to all who use our services that we are reaching the end of the road, but we’re not quite there yet. Stay tuned for March 1 or so to hear what I think we can continue to do to support our community. I have to put this notice out now so that people who rely on our services can begin to plan for alternative support.
Given the tilt we are seeing in the large corporations that operate the biggest networks, I believe it has never been more important to sustain the open social web. I commit to working with any and all other groups in the space who are able to continue building safety into our shared spaces.
I will do everything I can to sustain the community we’ve built for as long as I can. I am working non-stop through end of February to see what can be done, and come March I’ll announce where we are at and what we think we can do going forward. It’s been a privilege to work with so many dedicated teams and individuals in this space, and I hope to continue contributing in any way I can regardless of the outcome for IFTAS.
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