Fine del supporto a Windows 10: dopo quella di Framasoft, ecco la posizione di April ,un altro dei pilastri nella promozione e nella difesa del software libero. Addio Windows, benvenuto software libero, ecco la traduzione italiana: blogz.zaclys.com/nilocram/addi… #SoftwareLibero #April #EndOf10 #Linux #traduzioni
Framablog ha pubblicato un articolo semplice e chiaro per spiegare cosa succede con la fine del supporto a Windows 10 da parte di Microsoft, quali sono le conseguenze economiche e ambientali e quali sono le alternative.
Forse avete sentito parlare della fine del supporto di Windows 10 senza prestare particolare attenzione, oppure vi state chiedendo se questo vi riguarda. Facciamo il punto della situazione. Questa...
We're excited to announce that @altstore has joined the fediverse! Their innovative implementation of ActivityPub allows you to follow updates from your favorite apps, demonstrating a new way to bring more apps to the open social web.
We extend our heartfelt gratitude for their generous donation, in support of our mission to create an open and safe social internet.
Hey, does AltStore have its own Mastodon server as the TechCrunch article references (the link seems dead)? Also noticed that Mastodon GmbH Managed Hosting page links AltStore. Is this up and running? Still planned?
🔬 With Bonfire's upcoming Open Science Network 1.0, you can archive fediverse conversations to #zenodo (and compatible repositories like works.hcommons.org from @hello) and obtain a #DOI.
Every participant becomes a credited co-author, and @ORCID_Org integration can automatically publish it to your profile as well.
Join in co-designing community-owned infrastructure for open science! 🔥
We send a DM to each participant to notify them, so they can withdraw or give consent (and optionally add their ORCID ID to link their profile). We could also integrate this with the new consent-based quoting so that you can give/deny consent to quote to certain circles in advance: bonfirenetworks.org/posts/bonf…
Bonfire’s latest release puts data portability (moving and taking your data with you) and anti-enshittification (avoiding manipulative platform tricks) front and center.
Withdrawing would have the effect of publishing a new version on Zenodo, not ideal but probably also how giving consent after publication would have to work anyway...
looks great! Agree with the comments about consent from co-authors but if I am not mistaken author metadata can be edited on Zenodo w/o publishing a new version. So that's an option even if someone withraws consent after providing it at the beginning. Btw which repositories would be considered compatible? And how do you plan to handle post deletion? That's hard to do on Zenodo (requires manual approval from Zenodo iirc)
We’re thrilled to be bringing you a upcoming feature to help you find your people on Mastodon: Packs. (Or something… we’re still figuring out the name.) As always, we want to build this important feature for the community WITH the community. Read this blog post about our approach and let us know what you think!
Is the main scenario really just onboarding here? I like the idea of curated lists of accounts on a certain topic. Something that may be updated regularly. Something like the lists feature but sharable. Maybe similar to OPML.
As for the wording, "Parades" better fit the mastodonte metaphor than "Packs". What's of interest to me is more about agency and privacy. How to make sure people can know when they are part of one (especially if the thing has been created on another instance)? Suspend or remove themselves from it? Communicate with the thing's owner?
@markhughes we have an open issue on GitHub about this, explaining the reasons and constraints of this choice. We are listening to ideas on how to solve this in a good way, feel free to contribute there: github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i… @Mastodon
Pitch We've recently introduced a change to the boosting experience on on recent nightly versions (which have been deployed on Mastodon.social and Mastodon.online), wherein the Boost icon button op...
This addresses the consent aspect but doesn't have anything to say about how it skews the power dynamics. What happened on Bluesky was that getting included into a few packs was a "lottery win" and people gave little Oscar acceptance speeches to their tens of thousands of new followers, while people who had happened to not be included in this or that pack were bitter about their exclusion
@tomw Exactly my experience on #Bsky! There, it's a horrible elitist system that favours influencers and gives them even more votes. No chance for people who cover multiple topics (packs prefer one topic only-people) or are unknown. And you have to annoy people begging so that they give you a chance. At least on B., connected to the algorithms, it's on the way to #enshittification. I would like to consider this danger.
Their way of pumping up the already big influencers would be a danger for Mastodon's organic structure.
For me, it was quite easy to build my timeline with subscribing to my favourite hashtags. But most people don't know that they *can* subscribe! Why not making that more public? It's already a structure to find like-minded people.
@tomw Exactly my experience on #Bsky! There, it's a horrible elitist system that favours influencers and gives them even more votes. No chance for people who cover multiple topics (packs prefer one topic only-people) or are unknown. And you have to annoy people begging so that they give you a chance. At least on B., connected to the algorithms, it's on the way to #enshittification. I would like to consider this danger.
The first two things that come to my mind are that I'm pleased we can choose to opt-out of being included, and the way hashtags work on here is most satisfying and I'd like to see it continued.
It would be nice to be able to browse through such “albums.” So far, it’s been challenging to discover accounts by focus or interest. “Packs” brings to mind stray dogs, but also piles of material, so I suppose it depends on personal perspective.
If not “packs” then maybe “sets?” I’d be hesitant to obscure the meaning too much for the sake of thematics, the simpler the better.
Something else that they did that helped with onboarding was to create shareable lists (called feeds) that are for certain topics based on words and tags within posts. I know we can search topics via words or tags, but a topic of interest being a click or two away vs manually entering the search terms is powerful, almost like a subreddit but not.
based on how this played out on bsky, I urge you to reconsider this feature. At minimum you need controls to opt out of packs entirely at the account level. They very easily became a vector for abuse or unwanted attention and confused replies.
I'd just like to suggest you plan ahead and make any lists of users for any purpose useable/tranformable for any other purpose -- vs on bluesky sharter packs and feeds were different somehow and not exchangeable. Also keep a user list of changes to their account, so they know what happened, and the ablity to UNDO.
For the quick start part of it, maybe users during onboarding (say in the app) could pick starter packs first, and then be recommended instances partly based on what the people in their chosen starter packs are using?
You're interested in anarchist starter packs, here's some anarchist instances for you. Of french lierature or cycling or whatever.
It has some matthews effect potential, but I don't think it's a terrible idea.
this is the greatest feature this platform could ever have, since I've been making curated and private lists for people to follow and sending them those manually every time they join the platform. Awesome feature, will greatly be used! 🕊️
I hate this idea. I like Mastodon because it's NOT like corporate social media.
Having an empty timeline until you find people to follow is not a problem that needs solving; people are just too used to being spoon fed by the algorithm.
If you add this feature, please allow people to opt out of being added to starter packs.
I like the direction you’re taking here and I look forward to seeing how this works out. One idea: would a “starter pack” of hashtags be a thing that would make sense? I really appreciate the ability to follow hashtags; maybe that could be a way to help on board new folks: “Not sure *who* to follow? Follow your favorite hashtags and find your people!”
This is a good idea in principle but how will you safeguard against spamming?
On a server like social, which has open signups with no verification or human checking, it would be a spammer's delight. Create an account, follow all the "packs" and let rip.
Users will be notified when they are included in a Pack. Unlike on Bluesky, where users wishing to remove themselves from a Starter Pack [...] users on Mastodon will have a more neutral mechanism to remove themselves from a Pack they do not wish to be part of. (note: we implemented something similar with the Quote Posts feature, where an original post can be removed from a quote post; this same idea would flow through to Packs).
This has to be a "user curated" feature. You could potentially do something automated like add the accounts with the most followers, but you can't determine how legitimate the follower count is. It could be an account followed by a bunch of crap accounts.
I think there should be a button on every user's public profile that people can click if they think the account should be recommended in a pack. Maybe limit the vote to instance members, or send suggestions to the admins for submit.
@chad @alphapuggle "Starter pack" is an established term in trading card games, I guess that's where it came from. It will also make it easier for people coming here from BlueSky to have the same terminology.
Also, Mastodon is only part of the Fediverse, so we shouldn't use elephant-specific terminology.
🔥 Did you know you can fully customize your Bonfire sidebar? Pick the feeds you want, reorder everything, move sections around. Don't let the power of the default dictate your experience, make the interface adapt to your needs! See the video: tella.tv/video/ivans-video-063… And see you at #Fediforum later today! #enshittification #UX #defaults
Is there a bonfire instance we can test on/try out? Like one that’s just for testing new features, testing bonfire for the first time, etc. rather than having to run our own…
Puntuale come sempre è uscito ieri su Framablog il KhrysPresso, pieno di cose interessanti da leggere: framablog.org/2025/10/06/khrys…
Per comincare; uno studio di ShiftProject (in francese) sull'impatto ambientale dell'intelligenza artificiale generativa, qui la sintesi: theshiftproject.org/app/upload…;
Comme chaque lundi, un coup d’œil dans le rétroviseur pour découvrir les informations que vous avez peut-être ratées la semaine dernière. Tous les liens listés ci-dessous sont a priori...
In June, we proposed new Terms of Service for registered users of on our mastodon.social and mastodon.online servers. We did not do enough to consider the full impact of the terms, and the community was very clear that we needed to reconsider.
We've done that over the past few months. Today, we're posting an alternative set of terms, along with an opportunity for the community to provide feedback.
Background Mastodon gGmbH operates two Mastodon servers, mastodon.social and mastodon.online, under the jurisdiction of German law. In June 2025, we proposed to implement new Terms of Service that ...
I just read about Microsoft changing their customer contracts with the promise to protect their rights. And It thought: What kind of a contract is it, when one side can change it as they like? Shouldn't a contract be something, both sides agree upon? In this case the change was for the better. But they can change it in any way and their customers have practically no way of saying no. I think it's good, that Mastodon discusses these ground rules with their users. The result will be so much better!
We appreciate that certain politicians have recently admitted their naivete in entrusting the voices of their governments to corporate / for-profit social media.
Well they could have a presence in the fediverse as well as wherever else they have accounts already. I've told my local council to have their emergency announcements on more than Meta and Twitter, but it falls on deaf ears.
even better: They should host their own. Our governments should be proficient in managing public IT infrastructure. The knowledge should be internal, not external.
You’re making sense, but there’s s better brighter goal further along the road from here, brother.
@gimulnautti you're absolutely right (and that would be the best outcome) and we also offer support services for those that want to operate their own. blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/09/…
We're offering hosting, support and moderation services, to establish a more sustainable financial base while we continue to build a better social web.
One thing that politicians should really consider is creating their own instance to give them complete control of their messaging and build their public image.
Think about the benefit that Trump has gained from Truth Social.
By posting things on their own social media site they can draw interest from the media to their posts in a way that is superior to just riding other platforms.
how quickly would their instance be muted on mastodon.social after they come out in defense of the Palestinian people against the genocide perpetrated by Netanyahu's government?
I am planning to shut down this account and abandon social media for a while.
I have canceled myself to try to help as many as possible lately, and supported everyone against slanderous accusations directed at them.
That ended up with my account being limited on mastodon.social with no notice, no explanation and no appeal, while anonymous genocide denialists, trolls and nasty people who tried to halt fundraising for Gaza are still allowed to act under a blanket of absolute impunity.
I can't even communicate effectively with new accounts in need from Gaza if my profile is hidden on the main instance.
I'll keep cheering for @aral and @joynewacc from the sidelines, they're doing an amazing job, and I'll keep supporting accounts from Gaza, because it's the right thing to do.
Just not here, and away from the spotlights - also for my own safety.
I may be back one day, I don't know if on Nostr, or some other platform that has already taken into account the fact that the admin of the largest instance of a decentralized network can also be an asshole who has the power to cut you from your own network and those you're trying to help, even when you run your own instance.
@oblomov I am pro-Israel and the war on Hamas. Yes, I am a Christian. I know my views are not popular with many folks on the Fediverse, but I'm not fishing for followers.
That being said, I agree with @Mastodon that the Fediverse is a far more suitable place for government social media (especially self-hosted instances). I also agree with you @oblomov, that mainstream instances will silence people. #SelfHost people!
so basically you’re bragging about the initiative that @aral and @joynewacc have set up (with support from me behind the lines), putting our own names and surnames next to it, taking all the risks and all the threats on ourselves, while repeatedly shielding anonymous ultra-Zionist accounts that reported for antisemitism even AI-generated caricatures, and kept throwing mud on Gaza Verified, to the point of calling even the victims of a genocide that you were supposed to protect on your own instancescammers or antisemitic (sample 1, sample 2) for daring to compare the death that Israel brought upon them to the one that the Nazis brought upon Jews?
And then you muted MY profile instead of theirs, despite the widespread condemnation against those vile attacks, and despite me being actually one of the guys working on Gaza Verified?
Can you please confirm that the reports from those pro-genocide trolls constituted the grounds for your actions against my account?
You know right that because of your absolute incompetence at moderating a platform that is trying to handle an already delicate humanitarian initiative you have ended up with newly registered users from Gaza on your instance that were crying for help, even tagged me, and they couldn’t see my replies because they weren’t following me?
You know right that you may have to cut some lifelines there, because both Aral and Joy were busy in these days and couldn’t respond to all the requests?
You know right that you’ve silenced the guy who set up the Gaza archive for this initiative, to make sure that all of the content uploaded by the verified accounts is persisted even if some admins decide to kick them out, and the guy who uncovered some Gaza scams on your instance in July whose claims you were too lazy to verify?
And then you also have the guts of bragging about OUR initiative despite the damage you’re doing to it, just because you’re responding to a couple of questions from Aral?
How much credibility do you think you have left?
How much are you going to lie in our own face while taking undeserved credit and silencing the voices trying to save as many lives as possible?
p.s. It’d be great if someone could take a screenshot or a quote of this post and paste it to @staff. Those guys have silenced my account and they’re even ignoring emails from me and Aral, so I’m not sure if they can even see what I write to them.
@rzeta0 Criticizing Israel has always been allowed. We also have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to racism, including antisemitism, not only due to our values but our local jurisdiction (Germany). Thanks again for reaching out about this. We’re always looking to improve moderation on mastodon.social, and your input helps us do that.
@rzeta0 Hi Tariq, we appreciate you reaching out about this and understand your frustration. We are deeply saddened by the loss of human life in Gaza and condemn the ongoing genocide perpetrated by Israel. We also strongly support Aral's work on Gaza-Verified.org.
@hipsterelectron @lahosken well, maybe I just want to be optimistic, but they are referring to big Us commercial giants "where the rule is to insult others if one wants to be popular."
@lahosken macron identified US social networks as a risk to democracy a couple days ago lemonde.fr/en/international/ar… it was in the context of building up independent capacity for military action and he specifically identified user anonymity as problematic, neither of which i suspect the mastodon project agrees with
because currently the vast majority of accounts from Gaza is registered there. Which means:
They are currently exposed to regular harassment and defamation from malicious actors on the main instance that have been acting with impunity for years
We can’t respond to their calls for help if we are muted, unless they already follow us
yeah, really, Who Made Who, Who Owns Who, I don't think we have a party in action that wants to rattle ALL the knuckleheads, on BOTH sides, and put THEM in a cage, so the rest of the people on earth can get back to taking a hard stab at enjoying a life on THIS planet. WTAF. They're so outnumbered, I don't understand.
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🔥 RSS/Atom support opens up data portability beyond the fediverse. You can now subscribe to user feeds, thread comments, posts, articles, events, media feeds, or custom feeds directly in your RSS client.
Bonfire’s latest release puts data portability (moving and taking your data with you) and anti-enshittification (avoiding manipulative platform tricks) front and center.
Bonfire’s latest release puts data portability (moving and taking your data with you) and anti-enshittification (avoiding manipulative platform tricks) front and center.
Bonfire - tend to your digital life in community. Customise and host your own online space and control your experience at the most granular level. - bonfire-networks/bonfire-app
@matherion @Bonfire@bonfire.cafe we are in the process of releasing the open science network 1.0rc and publishing a dedicated website... happy to have a quick chat when you're available to share with you what we did and roadmap
The latest Bonfire Social release implements Mastodon's FEP-044f, enabling you to: ✨ Use boundaries to define who can quote your post, who must request first, or who cannot request at all. ✨ Quote — or request consent to quote — someone else’s post. ✨ Give or withdraw consent at any time.
A first step toward making quoting work smoothly and respectfully across the fediverse.
Bonfire’s latest release puts data portability (moving and taking your data with you) and anti-enshittification (avoiding manipulative platform tricks) front and center.
🔥 Bonfire now supports post imports when migrating instances
You can bring your posts (+ optionally replies) with you when moving to a Bonfire instance from another instance or platform. Imported posts keep their original dates and URIs. Threads are preserved, as are like/boost counts. It works by "boosting" all your old posts (without flooding others' feeds with old activities).
Bonfire’s latest release puts data portability (moving and taking your data with you) and anti-enshittification (avoiding manipulative platform tricks) front and center.
Interesting, will you still see replies to those posts? I've really wished for a long time that there was an authorized/authenticated way to move posts. I'm going to be moving retrogaming.social here soon to my own stack, uncertain if I should stick with Mastodon or if I should consider an alternative. Preserving everyone's history would be a killer feature.
Be able to enter a username with a different domain than one's instance Example: if I (or a friend or family member) have registered the domain name mydomain.com and have signed up to the bonfire i...
@reflex ah I don't think that scenario is supported by any current account migration system in any case... but there's also an issue about that github.com/bonfire-networks/bo…
Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe. It would be wonderful to be able to move an account and all its posts from a Mastodon instance. Describe the solution you'd like Follo...
Subscribed to the issue. IMO the ability to switch between various AP services in place would be huge for whoever made it happen. It's a huge technical ask though.
yeah... I think doing a regular move/import to a subdomain combined with then adding a webfinger alias (github.com/bonfire-networks/bo…) on the old domain may be cleaner, so you can still receive @ mentions using the same nick
Be able to enter a username with a different domain than one's instance Example: if I (or a friend or family member) have registered the domain name mydomain.com and have signed up to the bonfire i...
performance-wise, how does it looks (on both Bonfire and the other instance, let's say Mastodon) ? Would it be a big burden for both instances to migrate content (assuming replies are migrated too in that case) ?
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Oggi lo sciopero generale contro il genocidio a Gaza e con la Flotilla assaltata da Israele. Non lo fermano il «garante» per il quale è illegittimo né Salvini che minaccia precettazione, poi ci ripensa. #ScioperoGenerale #Gaza #FreePalestine #SumudFlotilla #ilmanifesto
📣 Bonfire Social 1.0rc3 just dropped! This latest release puts data portability and anti-enshittification front and center. Read what's new: bonfirenetworks.org/posts/bonf…
Bonfire’s latest release puts data portability (moving and taking your data with you) and anti-enshittification (avoiding manipulative platform tricks) front and center.
Colour me curious. Is there a way to test migration without causing noise for a lot of people, and without actually migrating the account (so no telling anyone it's moved)?
This past June, I put together a write-up about [url=https://community.nodebb.org/topic/18844/backfilling-conversations-two-major-approaches]two major approaches to backfilling conversations[/url]. The ability to properly backfill conversations means we w
This past June, I put together a write-up about two major approaches to backfilling conversations. The ability to properly backfill conversations means we will be able to make major inroads toward solving the feeling that the fediverse is quiet.
I, alongside several other members of the SWICG Forums and Threaded Discussions Task Force (ForumWG) have been working toward building implementor support for Conversational Contexts — the ability to explicitly classify a set of objects as belonging to a conversation, whether that be a topic, reply tree, or similar.
I am happy to report that we have made some wonderful inroads this past few months!
This marks a major milestone in the adoption of conversational contexts. With Mastodon on board backfill will be possible with the majority of the microblogiverse. With Lemmy and Piefed on board, backfill will be possible with the majority of the threadiverse.
Remember that pfefferle@mastodon.social was an early adopter of conversational contexts, and we have been able to backfill from WordPress blogs for quite awhile now (so that's the blogiverse too) :blush:
I for one, am eagerly awaiting the next version of all of these softwares!!
I would like to upstream my fork's implementation of FEP-7888, which groups conversations or threads together.
I have decided to split the implementation into two parts: adding the context prop...
@Informatica (Italy e non Italy 😁) Una ricostruzione di internet “dal basso” per combattere le aziende che mercificano i dati personali. Un libro teorizza il fediverso come campo base per l’attivismo digitale. Intervista all’autrice, Giuliana Sorci. L'articolo La resistenza ai social media riparte dal
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Stanze istantanee in cui voci e file si muovono peer-to-peer, senza lasciare tracce. Progettate per la privacy e l'autonomia digitale, e contro #chatcontrol!
Riportiamo una sintesi di un post pubblicato un anno fa da @Terence Eden sulla questione dell'anonimato nei sondaggi di Mastodon, ma il post richiama l'attenzione sul fatto che tutto ciò che rende aperto il Fediverso rende necessaria una maggiore consapevolezza da parte degli utenti.
Quando voti in un sondaggio, il tuo server invia un messaggio al server dell'utente che ha creato quel sondaggio dicendo: "Sono l'utente @XXXX@YYY.ZZ e desidero votare per l'opzione X. Ecco una firma HTTP che conferma il mio messaggio."
C'è un eccellente post sul blog di @Humberto Rocha(Aprovecho la oportunidad... Hola Humberto, ¿podrías arreglar el enlace a tu cuenta de Mastodon en tu blog?)che analizza il sondaggio Mastodon in ActivityPub. Mostra chiaramente che un voto è solo un normale messaggio che viene trasmesso al server ricevente.
Servizi come Mastodon sono appositamente sviluppati per non permettere all'autore del sondaggio di vedere chi ha votato e per quale opzione.
Ma questa è solo una convenzione. Non c'è nulla di tecnico che impedisca di recuperare quel dato. Se quel dato esiste, allora c'è un modo per intercettarlo. Un server mastodon inaffiddabile o appositamente configurato per raccogliere dati può collegare le tue preferenze al tuo account
Pertanto, quando vedi un sondaggio su Mastodon, poniti sempre queste domande:
1) dichiarare una preferenza in quel sondaggio può danneggiarmi? 2) il server cui appartiene l'utente che lancia il sondaggio rispetta il GDPR oppure è un server extracomunitario? O, peggio, è un server comunitario senza privacy policy o con una privacy policy ricopiata da un altro server?
All'esposizione di un qualsiasi dato personale, infatti, corrisponde sempre una riduzione delle proprie difese.
Da chi potrebbe essere sfruttata questa caratteristica?
1) un attore che lo fa attraverso un server malevolo, appositamente configurato per raccogliere quetsi dati 2) un attore che lo fa attraverso un server che ha compromesso
Perché qualcuno dovrebbe sfruttare questa caratteristica?
1) per profilare il tuo account anonimo/pseudonimo e renderne più facile l'identificazione 2) per profilare te e il tuo account già correlato alla tua vera identità e colpirti dal punto di vista reputazionale (al tuo datore di lavoro piace avere dipendenti sotto l'attacco di una shitstorm?) o legale (pensa solo a come il governo degli USA sta rendendo illegali opinioni e comportamenti)
Se sei interessato a questi contenuti sul #Fediverso puoi seguire l'utente @Che succede nel Fediverso?; si tratta di un "gruppo activitypub" che simula i gruppi Facebook: quando lo segui, l'account ti ricondivide tutti i messaggi di chi lo menziona! Se vuoi scrivere un post sul Fediverso, ricordati di menzionare quell'utente alla fine del tuo nuovo messaggio
Several years ago, I posted this poll on Twitter. Terence Eden is on Mastodon@edentIf the recent Twitter hack had exposed they way you voted on every Twitter poll, how would you feel?(There is no suggestion that this has happened, I'm just curious a…
Comunque il programma che uso per il fediverso, quando scrivo messaggi diretti (privati? personali?) apre un riquadro per ricordarmi che non c'è alcuna vera garanzia di protezione. Forse sarebbe bene mettere un messaggio del genere anche ogni volta che viene proposto di rispondere a un sondaggio?
Sui media della "concorrenza" non viene ricordato ad ogni piè sospinto che "il sistema registra molte più cose di quanto pensiate", ma qui val la pena farlo, no? @humrochagf @Edent @fediverso
@Pare 🚲 🌞 il sondaggio deve restare "segreto", soprattutto per evitare effetti distorsivi sui partecipanti ed è giusto che resti "anonimo" perché fa parte del gioco. Ma il punto è che si tratta di un gioco, non di una votazione ufficiale 😅
Almost all the servers on Mastodon and the wider Fediverse are run by unpaid grassroots volunteers that pay their server's bills out of their own pockets.
They don't sell your data or carry advertising, and they don't get any share of the donations given to the Mastodon etc software developers.
Please consider donating to your server admin, they usually have donation links on your server website's "About" page. You can also ask your admin directly about how to donate.
I'm just curious. Is this really sustainable on a long scale. Especially if we want "mainstream" to use Fediverse.
I personally hope that people can professionalize in the Fediverse and make a living out of it.
With the federated structure we finally have a way to counter the greed of single closed platforms. If someone starts enshitification, you can leave to a "competitor" at any time or do it yourself if you have the time and passion to.
It depends on what is meant by sustainable and long scale. There are many instances that have been operating since 2017 (Mastodon only began in 2016) or similar.
There have been many commercial social networks which have come and gone in that time such as Post News and Hive, which were run by professionals. The commercial networks couldn't make enough money to please investors so they shut down. Whereas the non-professional Fedi just carried on as it didn't need to please investors.
Right, organic grow has been a strong factor in why fedi is so pleasant. However, for now I mostly see sub cultures with a stronger affiliation to tech stuff.
And I feel like by now the growth has come to an end. I don't say the majority must use primary Fedi, I'm happy if it stays like it is, but I think the world would be better if everyone would do.
I hope I'm wrong, but I really don't think the mainstream will ever come to Fedi, without someone pulling them here. Maybe that's ok.
Maybe. But what if not? What if we have reached the limits without structural changes?
The Fediverse exist, it's a nice place. It doesn't need to grow to ensure it's existence. That's not my point.
I think society has a problem rooted in the marketing platforms some call "social media" and I think Fediverse is the best solution to this problem. But transferring the reasons why so many still use this platforms to Fedi, would perhaps need more possibilities to make money.
"Maybe. But what if not? What if we have reached the limits without structural changes?"
I've been through so many waves on here and this sentiment gets repeated every time a wave dies down, and every time it's forgotten when a new bigger wave happens.
Look at this article from 2017 on "six reasons why Mastodon won't survive":
I sure hope you're right and the social problems don't start to accelerate faster than we could catch up, because I really want to be wrong about this.
@tauon and there will be instances as long as at least one person is willing to host them.
But will there be enough people willing (and able) to host and administrate enough instances for the entire world all just for cost coverage at best? I don't think so.
Fediverse will not die without more possibilities to secure a revenue. But without it, I highly doubt it will get big enough for the change in society it could provide.
"But will there be enough people willing (and able) to host and administrate enough instances for the entire world all just for cost coverage at best? I don't think so. "
You're asserting this, but you're not providing specific examples to support your case?
The best-funded and most corporate-like instance on the Fedi is mastodon.social but it has worse-than-average moderation and many other instances either block it or would like to (but feel it's too big to block).
Mastodon.social is run by a non profit organization while they have the burden to be host for "normal people". Mastodon is far from being popular enough for making a real social change in the world, but we already have instances struggling to handle the people.
So if people will not change their behavior, and the Fediverse will not change it's acceptance of commerciality, I don't see how this should work out with even bigger numbers.
what you're describing is the average fedi enjoyer use case. Small communities that have at least one techy person able to do this on volunteer basis (but normally being a tech affine community in the first place). I think there is a limited amount of people in the world for which this use case works out. I would even say, it's not the norm.
You can (and should) have multiple smaller commercially driven instances competing with each other for te rest. But they need to start somewhere.
Facebook Vice President Andrew “Boz” Bosworth said that “questionable contact importing practices,” “subtle language that helps people stay searchable,” and other growth techniques are justified by the company’s connecting of people.
playing for managed fedi instances is one business model.
The track records of commercial "social media" is as bad, because they are designed with walled garden principles, taking away the freedom of changing the supplier.
You are right. There is no need for commercial instances, but I also don't see why it couldn't add a benefit if it helps to break metas monopoly on communication.
@feyter The mastodon foundation (the ones who manage the source code and run mastodon.social and I think at least one other instance) recently announced that they sell managed instances to organizations, partially as a way to subsidize the open instances and development.
It would be great if more instances were to do that for their own niches but by its nature, there will always be a massive amount of self hosted instances that just got big by chance.
@gbargoud yes that's for organizations. It would be nice if this could Cross-Finance the Fediverse for private users, but I don't think that will fit. For a number of reasons.
I wonder how a sustainable implementation could look for a "general user instance". Something that would ensure professional it-security, backup and content Administration. Maybe that's only possible if "mainstream" accept that you have to pay for it. But again, I don't see that happening any time soon.
"Professional moderation" on commercial social networks tends to be done really badly and really cheaply by LLM-based tools that look for keywords without understanding any context.
The ratio of human moderators to users on the Fediverse is much, much higher than on a commercial social network.
"Something that would ensure professional it-security, backup"
There are already backups etc available to instance owners through professional managed hosting providers.
I just posted and also linked this to the German ministry for digital things (@BMDS) ... hope it helps! (The german text from me is basically the same meaning. Repost from what i already wrote last friday, to the government account.) techhub.social/@snornik/115249…
Repost was ich schon schrieb als ihr vom Bundesregierungs-Account begrüßt wurdet:
"@Bundesregierung Hallo liebes @BMDS ! Ich hoffe das euch hier klar ist das der Großteil der Reichweite über föderierte Server läuft.
"requires something more than a few core devs and a lot of hobbyists."
I'm not clear on what you're suggesting should happen instead?
Devs and admins are doing an amazing job with the resources they are given.
It's easy to point out problems but the corporate alternatives rely on VC money and cause "enshittification", which negates the entire point of alternative social networks.
It's great to see co-ops and more managed hosting, but how does that help fund instances?
@inkorrupt I think that there are 4 reasons to be unhappy about the current Fediverse status quo:
1. I've seen a number of instance admins talk about the psychological and financial stress that they experience from running instances. (This often comes out when they decide that they can't manage it anymore.) I feel that, much like open source, it's a system that tends to be carried on the backs of a small number of volunteers at the expense of their well-being.
2. When these over-stressed admins finally realize that they can't handle running their instance, the instance sometimes very quickly shuts down, causing users to lose their account and data if they weren't able to export and migrate fast enough.
3. While for some of us the volunteer moderation works fine, members of various groups who are more likely to be targeted have reported that it's not remotely sufficient for them.
4. For those of us who would like to see open, standards-based social media break the walled garden oligopoly, it needs to be attractive enough in terms of features and scale well enough to capture users when the opportunity presents itself (which Fedi didn't manage all that well in 2022). This probably requires something more than a few core devs and a lot of hobbyists.
None of this necessarily requires a for-profit commercial venture or anything like that. There are, for example, already instances that are structured as cooperatives. And the recently-announced plans by Mastodon GmbH to offer managed hosting as a service may be another step in the right direction. It's just that the historical status quo of a donation button and hope doesn't seem like a sufficiently reliable plan.
It's totally fair to ask about risk of data sales, and a reasonable attitude 🙂
As far as I know it hasn't happened, but of course there's always a risk online.
One thing that's really good about the Fedi is it doesn't ask for more personal data than it needs, there's no requirement for a phone number or real name or personal photo etc.
I am the idea of a decentralized and federated network of #GNUtaler instances empowering communities and groups to run their own payment infrastructure for the common good.
At "something more" I can imagine a #PayPalKiller federated payment system issueing a #feditaler trading token to translate the fediversal philosophy into critical infrastructure, and transform "bad fiat money" into FedizensCapital running in economic cycles in our spheres. 🖖
@FranceskaMann The post I was replying to seemed to me to be suggesting that there were no real problems to be addressed. My post was describing why I think there are significant problems to be addressed. I wasn't claiming to have the correct solutions. I suspect that various experiments will need to be tried to find good solutions, and it will likely require a mix of approaches to cover all types of users and use cases.
To address the specific examples I gave, I think managed hosting is useful to professionalize the hosting portion of the equation and make the full costs explicit; even if that still leaves the puzzle of how to fund it. Things like CoSocial are even more encouraging, as they explicitly require payment for membership (while creating a mechanism for gift memberships to support those who can't pay), rather than relying on users to spontaneously donate to cover unknown costs. And by involving users in governance, it may make people more invested, help them understand the challenges of running the server, and help guide the instance toward solutions that work for users.
CoSocial, officially CoSocial Community Cooperative, is a member-owned organization with the purpose of providing democratically-run open social media.
### General
* More flexible tabs on the main page
- Tabs can now be reordered
- Admins are free to select the default tab for their instance
- About-Text can be shown as a tab.
### General
* More flexible tabs on the main page
- Tabs can now be reordered
- Admins are free to select the default tab for their instance
- About-Text can be shown as a tab.
PS: le categorie del forum si possono seguire dal proprio account mastodon o da altro social federato: per esempio, la categoria activitypub.space/category/2/g… può essere seguita come @general@activitypub.space. Per farlo, basta incollare il link della comunità nella casella di ricerca del proprio social
We’re taking another step in building a sustainable financial base as a non-profit. Today, we’re announcing new hosting and support offerings, tailored for larger organisations and public institutions. These enable organisations to own their social identities, on their own infrastructure.
We're offering hosting, support and moderation services, to establish a more sustainable financial base while we continue to build a better social web.
I've been looking & waiting for that. Since you provide best FLOSS implementation of Fediverse and you are non-profit, to be sustainable and keep it going it's okay to have income streams via SaaS, support. I've been also looking towards commercial clients, apps.
People are pretty routinely harassed for being brown and queer as a result of the poor moderation on mastodon.social. So far that I've seen, white - and particularly white Euro - accounts are still mostly unaware. So now the non-profit is going to offer others this service that is the reason most brown people stay clear of this place as a paid service? Sigh. The way the rest of things are going, this fits.
good idea. I've been worried this service wouldn't last and revenue will ensure it does. I've also always thought governments should be running their own instances rather than run their communications via a closed social network so hope this encourages buy-in
Bravo!! 👏 This will help so many companies, institutions, local councils, clubs etc who have no idea how to set up an account or instance, join the Fediverse. I personally know a company that's recently come across Mastodon and have been thinking about how they could create and manage their own instance but wasn't sure how. This will be their solution for sure!! Great news! 🤗
You are now competing with other providers of these services while you are the developer of the software, too. So there is an incentive to keep your competition down. You’ll use software and/or documentation to achieve that. And when the first lawsuits about lacking moderation drop, buying “proper” moderation will be considered the only responsible way to operate a server. This is the way to centralize the fediverse. It’s a bad decision.
@chris > You are now competing with other providers of these services
One of the 4 core pillars of enshittification prevention. Interoperating with competing software. That's 2. Full source code available under libre license, enabling self-help. That's 3. HQ in Germany, in a jurisdiction actively regulating tech services, that's all 4. Sounds like an ideal tech market to me.
@chris > while you are the developer of the software too
Like WordPress, GitLab, Element, Loomio, Snikket, and innumerable others, who have served as good stewards of a libre codebase, while selling services based on it, to keep core dev sustainable.
Contrast this with Oracle and LibLime, who tried to ...
> use software and/or documentation to achieve that
... to ...
> keep [the] competition down
... with OpenOffice and Koha respectively, and got ruthlessly forked and routed around.
I'm less worried about Mastodon Inc. hosting services for other people, than I've been about them running overpowered directly. Which has lead to Mastodon being optimised for "enterprise" scale, rather than a scale which is practical to moderate with nuance.
You're not wrong that bullshit accusations of "inadequate moderation" is an attack surface enemies of the fediverse could potentially use. But I can't see how it logically follows from Mastodon offering a managed hosting service.
Again, Mastodon are in the EU, where the courts still enforce basic civil rights. I'd be much more worried if their HQ was in the US, where much more serious governments crackdowns on media freedom have been going on since Dubya, if not longer.
@strypey I bet that part of the business plan is growing the moderation team of the central mega instances (that are too big to block) and to refinance this by reselling moderation as a service. The mega instances see most of the traffic and reselling moderation comes at about zero additional cost since moderation will be done anyways. (That does not even look like a bad or nefarious decision on the first look!)
@chris > The Wordpress / Automattic drama is an excellent example for _one_ of the things I’m expecting to happen
You seem to be presupposing that WordPress is the bad guy in their conflict with WP Engine. I've yet to be presented with anything substantial to support that view. It seems to be a case of shoehorning the judgement into the theory, without bothering to check that the facts actually fit either.
Again, you're ignoring Mastodon interoperating with other software. The WordPress case is totally different.
You're ignoring the freedom to fork. If WP Engine are the target of Bad Action, what's stopping them just forking WP and ignoring Automattic? Lots of people would probably jump on their fork the same way they're jumping to conclusions about who's at fault.
You're also ignoring the fact that both companies in the WP conflict have their HQ in the *US*, not the EU. Very different.
@strypey Oh, I’m not taking too much of a position IN the WP drama, I’m just predicting a fediversion of the drama in the future since Mastodon gGmbh now is competing with companies who are not developing (much of) Mastodon. And I’m not equating people working on Mastodon, currently, with participants in the WP drama.
@chris@strafpla.net @Crazypedia @Mastodon Now that I think it, imagine if they manage to get enough hosted institutions signed up, that they can hire a team of moderators for all of them at a fraction of the cost
La settimana prossima dal 24 al 26, saremo a Messina per il convegno conclusivo del PRIN sulle istituzioni universitarie nel '900 promosso dal CISUI. Un'opportunità che ha aiutato a spingere gli studi di storia universitaria italiana ormai fino alla Pantera e agli anni '90
Today, we’re ready to show you the upcoming quote posts feature in more detail. We’ve put together a blog post with examples of how quote posts will work on Mastodon, ahead of early access on our own servers next week 💬 Full launch to come, in Mastodon v4.5
Looks great! Minor nitpick: I can get a list of people who boosted, but I can’t seem to get a list of quote posts (even though I can see how many of them there are).
My understanding was that 4.4 rolled out the API interface, and 4.5 would roll out the client implementation. So I made a quote post from my mastodon.social account (@sillapp ), which I follow here from my 4.4 server. However, `quote` is null in my API response for that post (mastodon.social/@sillapp/11522…).
Here's a suggestion: On other servers the quote just shows up as "Post unavailable" or "Post pending" - that's bad UI. And this entire post is bad information formatting.
Put the link to the blog in the post proper, not just in the unsupported quote post.
And quote posts that are not supported should at least spit out a link to the post in question.
I have seen that post from other Fediverse software still display quotes as URLs with a "RE:" or "RT:" prefix. Is this something that's already being worked on?
Having sat with #QuotePosts for several days now, I'm even more unhappy with it.
I never wanted QPs and have turned it off, but still have it offered to me every time I boost, and most of the time "boost" is the only item in the menu - 80% at a guess.
I use two accounts daily, and dread the second site updating to this feature.
It makes me less likely to boost and has ruined my experience on mastodon.social
I hope we'll be able to disable in our UI rather than it be forced on us.
"Nonostante una macchina internet multimiliardaria specificamente concentrata a tenerci separati": la diversa percezione di Kirk tra bolle diverse è l'effetto di un'economia dell'informazione basata sulla colonizzazione della nostra attenzione.
Riportiamo il testo di un post che ci è stato segnalato da Facebook (qui il link); siamo convinti che il tema che ha voluto sollevare non sia stato ancora affrontato nel dibattito italiano. I grassetti sono nostri (perché a differenza di Facebook, Friendica li può fare... 😂)
Una cosa che mi è diventata davvero chiara da ieri è che viviamo in almeno due realtà diverse. Parlando con un'amica che conosceva Charlie solo come oratore motivazionale cristiano, perché era l'unica cosa che le capitava tra le mani. Mi ha mostrato video che non avevo mai visto prima, in cui diceva cose perfettamente ragionevoli e incoraggianti.
Le ho mostrato video che lei non aveva mai visto prima sul suo razzismo, la sua misoginia, la sua omofobia, la sua incitamento alla violenza contro specifici gruppi di persone. Era inorridita dalle sue osservazioni sull'aggressore del marito di Pelosi, rilasciato su cauzione e celebrato per il suo atto violento. Era inorridita da diverse cose che aveva detto, ma non le aveva mai viste o sentite prima, così come io non avevo mai visto o sentito i video generici in cui si mostrava come un uomo e un padre perfettamente amorevole.
Nessuno di noi due aveva un'idea precisa di quest'uomo. Le ho detto che era un noto suprematista bianco e lei ha pensato che stessi scherzando. Ha detto che avrebbe fatto un discorso su come trovare il proprio scopo e fare del bene nel mondo e io ho pensato che stesse scherzando.
Ho capito perché questa amica stava piangendo la perdita di una persona che considerava una brava persona. La mia amica, che Dio la benedica, ha capito perché provo quello che provo per lui. Ci siamo capiti meglio. Nonostante una macchina internet multimiliardaria specificamente concentrata a tenerci separati. Perché ci siamo parlati con il desiderio di ascoltare e imparare, piuttosto che con il desiderio di far cambiare idea a qualcun altro o di avere "ragione".
Nessuna di quelle cose motivazionali che ha detto cambia la mia opinione su di lui perché non cancellano la negatività, i sottili appelli alla violenza, lo sminuire e denigrare altre razze, religioni, generi, ecc. I suoi commenti negativi e accusatori sui senzatetto, i poveri e le vittime di violenza domestica. I suoi commenti sul radunare persone che non la pensavano come lui e metterle in campi dove il loro comportamento poteva essere corretto. Quella volta ha detto che l'empatia era una parola inventata in cui non credeva. Quell'altra volta ha detto che il Civil Rights Act era un errore. La volta in cui ha detto che la maggior parte delle persone ha paura quando sale su un aereo e vede che c'è un pilota nero. La sua retorica anti-vaccinazione e la sua attiva campagna contro il permesso di indossare mascherine per la propria salute. Il suo aperto sostegno al fascismo e alla supremazia bianca. Per me, tutti questi sono sentimenti totalmente non cristiani. Sono innegabili e anche uno solo di essi sarebbe un ostacolo per me. Tutti insieme sono l'immagine di un uomo che era polarizzante, faceva infuriare molte persone e giustamente, ma nonostante tutto non augurerei mai a lui o soprattutto ai suoi figli la fine che ha fatto.
Oh, e la mia amica non ne aveva mai sentito parlare, e Dio mi aiuti, non so come abbia fatto a sfuggire alla notizia, ma non aveva mai sentito parlare dei parlamentari del Minnesota che sono stati colpiti a giugno. Il marito, la moglie e il cane che sono stati uccisi, uno dopo essersi gettato sul figlio per proteggerlo. L'altra coppia che in qualche modo è sopravvissuta. Attacchi motivati politicamente, proprio perché erano democratici. Ha saputo di quelle sparatorie avvenute mesi fa perché le ho mostrato i commenti di Charlie Kirk al riguardo. Il complotto per il rapimento di una governatrice democratica del Midwest. Il tentato omicidio del governatore democratico della Pennsylvania. Tutte cose di cui Charlie aveva molto da dire, pur sostenendo il Secondo Emendamento e attaccando il Partito Democratico. Non ne sapeva nulla perché viviamo tutti in due mondi diversi e nessuno di noi conosce tutta la storia."
Ad agosto 2025 una giuria di San Francisco ha condannato Meta per violazione della legge californiana sulla privacy. Tra il 2016 e il 2019 l’azienda ha raccolto illegalmente i dati privati delle utenti di Flo, un nota app per il controllo mestruale, collezionando informazioni sulla loro ovulazione, rapporti sessuali, tentativi di gravidanza, oltre che sui cicli mestruali stessi. Tali dati sono poi stati usati per alimentare il sistema delle pubblicità mirate.
Buongiorno a tutti, sono Erika e apro con piacere un piccolo mondo dedicato al cucito.
Perché potremmo avere bisogno di questo spazio? Perché cucire è un intimo atto politico, di resistenza ma soprattutto di amore.
Per approfondire questo aspetto consiglio la lettura di ‘I fili della vita’, Clare Hunter, edito da Bollati Boringhieri.
Ma inoltrandoci un po’ più nel vivo della questione, vi propongo una delle mille possibilità con le quali approcciarsi al mondo del cucito e sarei felice di sapere la vostra.
Cucire la necessità.
Parliamo di cucito sartoriale e creativo, senza distinzione. Reinizia la scuola, ci serve un astuccio: cuciamolo. Abbiamo le mestruazioni e ci rendiamo conto che abbiamo voglia di fare la differenza, disegnandoci un cartamodello di assorbenti su misura. Mutande lise? Cuciamocene un bel paio! Grembiule per non sporcarci? Ecco fatto!
Non si arriva a fare tutto dall’oggi al domani, ma con il sostegno dei tanti account che condividono gratuitamente le loro esperienze, qualche libro e qualche modellista che vi vende le sue preziose idee su carta (la conoscete mammaconstoffa, Elisa Masi?) ), ecco che abbiamo le basi per partire!
A proposito, urgono contenuti liberi anche su #peertube. Chi si propone? 🙂
I Gruppi del Fediverso: un modo per incontrare altri utenti Mastodon, Friendica o Pixelfed in base ai loro interessi
Il Fediverso è un luogo fatto soprattutto di interazioni sociali ma rispetto ai social commerciali non è facilissimo trovare utenti che condividano i nostri stessi interessi. Ecco come giocarsi la carta dei “Gruppi”
ciao! Sto organizzando a #udine la prima #magliathon, una maratona di lavoro a maglia condivisa per realizzare quadrati a maglia che poi verranno cuciti per realizzare coperte da donare. Patrocinato dal comune di Udine e la Caritas mi sta dando una mano + altre persone. Merita!
@heliokor grazie per la tua disponibilità! Il quadrato è di 25x25 cm circa, vanno bene qualsiasi punto, colori, basta che sia di lana. Per assemblare ci penserà la Sartoria Sociale Fìl della Caritas di Udine. L'idea è di usare lana avanzata e non comprata per un'idea di #riuso.
Annunciamo a tutti gli utenti Feddit che abbiamo un nuovo gruppo locale dedicato a Pesaro! Gli utenti di feddit.it potranno trovarlo qui: feddit.it/c/pesaro@citiverse.i…
Puoi stare tranquillo, non c'è bisogno di aprire un altro account per interagire, ma se per curiosità vuoi aprire un account su feddit.it (che è basato su Lemmy) o su citiverse (che invece è basato sull'interessantissima piattaforma per forum NodeBB), sei il benvenuto.
Usando il tuo account Mastodon infatti non hai praticamente limitazioni se non il fatto che non puoi moderare le conversazioni e non puoi scrivere testo formattato.
Puoi infatti seguire le conversazioni dell'account di Pesaro dalla tua istanza a questo link e quando risponderai a un messaggio gli account che seguono "Pesaro" potranno vederti perché vedranno il tuo post ricondiviso da "Pesaro".
Per aprire una conversazione dovrai invece scrivere un nuovo messaggio seguendo alcune regole di base, più che altro per rendere più agevole la lettura agli altri utenti:
1) scrivere un primo paragrafo a mo' di titolo del tuo post 2) menzionare l'account @pesaro@citiverse.it 3) scrivere tutto quello che ti pare: link, considerazioni, immagini allegate
Ricordati infine che gli utenti Lemmy come quelli di feddit possono leggere solo messaggi "incardinati" in un thread. Tutti gli altri messaggi pubblici o privati che tu puoi inviare a un account Lemmy, non verranno mai ricevuti da esso. Se vuoi contattare un utente Lemmy, devi andare sul suo profilo e vedere se ha un contatto "Matrix" oppure devi contattarlo da Lemmy a Lemmy
Today, we’re ready to show you the upcoming quote posts feature in more detail. We’ve put together a blog post with examples of how quote posts will work on Mastodon, ahead of early access on our own servers next week 💬 Full launch to come, in Mastodon v4.5
We’ve thought carefully about building this feature, and we hope it broadens your use of Mastodon!
However, you're in control: if you don’t want your content to be quoted, you can find the setting to prevent future quotes of your content under Settings -> Preferences -> Other (in Mastodon 4.4).
is there a plan to have similar control over replies ? The quote post controls seem pretty handy. It would be very useful to limit replies to followers or no one
@dev @kolya Genuinely curious as to what other use cases are there besides "expressing something publicly", and whether or not they're acknowledged on Twitter/X or Bluesky. Because it's also very much well known for promoting scandalous content without getting into trouble.
@duc @kolya I would simply like anything that I post which gets some traction filled with replies “well actually” or explaining my post to me. Or filling the replies with more unrelated misery about something bad that happened to me. Or having arguments.
The issue is never regular posts. It is important sometimes to indicate to people outside my circle that they don’t need to weigh in on something or I’m not asking for advice.
@elCelio @dev @kolya Most people position Mastodon (and even they position themselves) as a social networking platform, but some others may associate it with the likes of Twitter/X, Threads, Bluesky, Tumblr etc. as a microblogging platform, aka a quicker alternative to maintaining a dedicated blogging website. Mastodon happens to be the most popular out of the platforms built on the ActivityPub protocol. For those people, they see they should have interaction control over the content.
⚠️ This PR is still a draft as the described API might still change.
TODO:
document default case for quote_approval_policy in POST /api/v1/statuses and PUT /api/v1/statuses/:id (currently it sets ...
Quick question that I'm not seeing in the FAQ or docs: when is something a `Quote` and when is something a `ShallowQuote`? In what cases should I expect each?
the worries that this could be used to make negative comments about others post are completely out of reality, because this can also be achieved by posting it as a link or posting a screenshot.
on other platforms that is handled quite simply: if somebody does a repost that you don’t like, block the account and done.
Actually, then they still can post links or screenshots with negative comments because thats anyway completely unavoidable.
I guess It took so long, since this has been designed with a complete workflow of requesting an approval and stuff like that. You can see the whole FEP here: codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src…
Other fediverse systems (FoundKey, Mitra, Pleroma, Threads, Friendica, Bridgy Fed, Hollo, Iceshrimp) already implemented another FEP: codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src…
So we will have a situation with two concurring systems.
I just scanned through the thread. It is interesting to see that the opinion about this is really split in the Mastodon community. And yeah, you are totally right. There are multiple ways to circumvent the created restrictions.
That's great and I like the feature, but have you given thought to making quote-posts opt-in and not opt-out ? I really feel like opt-out is a mistake... You've made many things opt-in, like search discoverability, why not this ? @MastodonEngineering @renchap
@CelianGodefroid thanks for the positive words on the feature. We did consider opt-in/out, absolutely. Important note: defaults for post visibility and quotability only impact *future* posts. This means your past posts cannot be quoted. This is different from toggling profile discovery, which has an immediate impact. We're providing an early heads-up for people on these two servers (and anyone on 4.4.x elsewhere) that they can set their default visibility now, to prevent being quoted in future.
Thank you for your answer. I still feel like the default setting should have been to refuse quote posting, and letting people decide to opt-in later. Also prompt newly created accounts if they want to enable it or not. But it shouldn't have been activated by default like it was.
why don't add Following? it's better that people you follow to quote you because you have choose them than to let someone that you don't know (Followers) quote you
It will not break it, but we will still have got two different worlds. The older FEP e232 is created in a well thought way, so that on not supported servers you simply see some RE: https://server.example/objects/123 in the last line to indicate a quote.
What were the arguments for "quoting text above quoted post" over "quoting text below quoted post"? This is going to create a "dunk culture" on Mastodon with no upside beyond "works how it does on [toxic platforms that Mastodon positions itself as a better alternative to]". What is your plan for dealing with the cultural problems this will create? "You can disable quotes, but it won't retroactively remove your post from a harasser's timeline" is bolting the door too late.
@Gargron Hmm not sure if i like that or not 😁 very ambivalent about that.
Usually i mute people because i am not interested or annoyed by their content. If other people share it, i'll see a comment out of context that probably makes no sense anymore
Something like "This is a good idea" and then you just don't see what idea is supposed to be good
@Gargron @vamp898 Does hidden mean "a URL to the post, not embedded" or "like a content warning saying post from a user you've muted" or "just a blank space"
@rauschma Based on the current implementation (quoted post as a separate attribute and allowing the top-level post author to remove the post quote) I don't think so. Perhaps that can be another new feature or my assumption could be wrong 😀
@duc @rauschma it is entirely possible; in the Web user interface, you will be able to do so by composing your reply and pressing the quote button on the post you want to quote: this won't dismiss your reply but instead attach the quote
Cool. Now when will you allow longer posts, as numerous other sites - now including X - do? The longer text can be hidden behind a click, if that would help.
Please tell me that I block *seeing* quote posts by others? Quoting is truly one of the worst features of Twitter and I really don't want to see it in my feed.
Why did you adopt opt-out as the default? Is it correct to understand that because of your previous blog post ("Bringing Quote Posts to Mastodon"), you changed to a social networking site where anyone is basically free to quote?
1) What if someone quotes you, and then quickly blocks you? Will you still be able to remove your post from their quote?
2) Why is this feature opt out? Most people signed up here knowing (and wanting) that there is no quoting feature, so why not opt in? (Or at least a way stricter default setting for quoting?)
I hope @sengi_app will support this, because it's the best desktop client in the world, and I really don't want to go back to using Mastodon inside a web browser.... 😉
Nell'ultimo anno, con la crescente popolarità di Bluesky, anche le discussioni sulla reale "decentralizzazione" di Bluesky e ATProto sono diventate più "popolari". Queste discussioni spaziavano da articoli di alta qualità e produttivi, a persone che dicevano un sacco di stupidaggini su internet (che sorpresa, lo so). Con il passare del tempo, tuttavia, questo dibattito è diventato sempre più aspro e violento. Con l'aumento dei tentativi dei governi di controllare l'accesso a internet, anche le discussioni su questo tema si sono fatte più intense.
Over the last year, as Bluesky got more popular, conversations about whether Bluesky and ATProto are really ‘decentralised’ have gotten more “popular” as well.
Per capirne qualcosa sulle differenze tra protocolli ActivityPub e ATProto, Fediverso e Bluesky, secondo me, bisognerebbe partire dal lungo ed esauriente post di Christine Lemmer-Webber, disponibile al link dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/ , dove dice: "However, I stand by my assertions that Bluesky is not meaningfully decentralized and that it is certainly not federated according to any technical definition of federation we have had in a decentralized social network context previously. To claim that Bluesky is decentralized or federated in its current form moves the goalposts of both of those terms, which I find unacceptable."
Per il resto le minacce ai social provenienti dai governi, come chatcontrol e le verifiche sull'età, sono reali come dice l'articolo. Si tratta, secondo me, di leader ignoranti, demoniaci, superficiali, obbedienti alle sollecitazioni di lobby private che mirano a soffocare il sociale per promuovere il lavoro buroindotto, dove appunto i gruppi privati hanno la scusa buona per farsi avanti, per offrire al mercato buroindotto soluzioni a pagamento al fine di tutelarti dalle sanzioni e dalle conseguenze penali, se non ti adegui alle normative.
talksina@mastodon.uno Infatti, il Fediverso mi sembra la riscoperta dell'acqua calda, perché ci sono tecnologie semplici come gli aggregatori. È iniziato tutto con Facebook dove mi ci hanno tirato dentro e dal quale ne sono uscito. Basterebbe tenere aperta la porta di casa, ma poi ti entra di tutto, soprattutto spam, come nelle email. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_agg…
Scoperto poco fa (c'è la app su f-droid). Non lo conoscevo ma sembra interessante, anche se ho esplorato poco e non credo che farò un altro account ma se qualcunə rimpiange Tumblr... Se lo provate poi fate sapere com'è 😆
Wafrn, the social media that respects you
Welcome to this Wafrn instance, a federated social media inspired by Tumblr that connects with the Fediverse and Bluesky.
I know, ma tante persone qui cercano di evitare social non federati (e tantз non usano neanche prodotti Automatic) quindi era riferito a quello più che altro.
tumblr in sé non è nulla di speciale, erano le persone che ci stavano. Qualunque Istanza ActivityPub potrebbe diventare tumblr, basterebbe essere meno bacchettoni.
non so anzu, io ricordo che seguivo un sacco di fotografз, alcunз amicз, artistз, gallerie e un sacco di altre cose e ricordo di averlo abbandonato (insieme ad molte altre persone) proprio perchè a un certo punto si è riempito di porno e non era per quello che avevo fatto l'account, sinceramente.
Quindi arrivederci (non solo per quello, ma ha contributo). Non è questione di essere bacchettonз a mio parere, praticamente a un certo punto c'era quasi solo quello (pieno di bot tra le altre cose). Ci sono siti specializzati sul tema, non c'è bisogno di riempire un social che le persone usano anche e soprattutto per altro.
Che qui ci siano utentз bacchettonз può essere, ma da qui a dire che 'il fediverso è bacchettone..." boh, sarà! Lo preferisco sicuramente a Tumblr del periodo in cui me ne sono andato.
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