Mastodon CFO @mellifluousbox will be at the #GlobalSolutionsSummit in Berlin today as part of the panel "Beyond Profit: Public Interest Technologies for Democratic Digital Futures". You can also listen to his live interview with Radioeins from last week.
Digitale Technologien, KI, Klimawandel, Welthandel, Alternativen zu Wachstumsstrategien, Dekarbonisierung. Der am kommenden Montag in Berlin startende Global Solutions Summit hat sich viel vorgenommen.
Context: I made a poll on PieFed about the new post flairs (so if you are one of the few hundred people who have a PieFed account, follow that link and answer there). Unfortunately Lemmy has neither polls nor post flairs, so this post is to open up the discussion to the wider Fediverse, or rather the subset of it that encompasses Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, which is called... what exactly?
Is Threadiverse too traumatic & tainted by association with Meta's (all but entirely defunct) Threads? Is The Verse too cool/poetic/nerdy (but niche) to be understood? I highly advise against Lemmyverse bc mainstream normal people are far less tolerant of tankies than we who are here are willing to put up with. Simply listing the software available sometimes is the best option - like the Interstellar app supports all of Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, but most support at best 1 or 2 of those - but usually is too long to say and does not roll off the tongue, plus will just keep growing as time goes on. Is Forumverse thus the least bad of the available options, or perhaps you have a better idea? 💡
Anyway, the start to a listing: 1) Threadiverse 2) Forumverse 3) (The) Verse 4) Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed 5) Something else?
I noticed PieFed.social on page 9, and the link is functional, even though next to it the status says "disabled".
That site doesn't seem very trustworthy. I wonder if it is measuring how "Lemmy-like" an instance is? Anyway I've never heard of that site before, but passing the note to @rimu@piefed.social anyway in case it helps:-).
IIRC Lemmy and Mastodon PMs are different and incompatible. If you can receive PMs from Lemmy users then you should be able to receive auth codes. Currently @rikudou@lemmings.world is adding both Lemmy and Mastodon PMs here: github.com/ismailkarsli/lemmy-…
Also software other than Lemmy and Mbin needs to add ‘roleName: Administrator’ to their user webfinger requests. This is because ActivityPub doesn’t have a standard way to expose user roles.
I’m thinking of adding another ways of verifying like DNS based verification but still not sure. Any recommendations are welcome 😀
Yeah something is screwy - PieFed.social is most definitely aware of lemy.lol (see this at piefed.social/instance/lemy.lo…), but the last post it has from your own account seems to be nine months ago, and the second link on that page I linked, to "Posts" yields an error.
Nor does this portion of the conversation appear in this version of the OP (see here, which should have all of these responses below it but they are lacking there).
So apologies, I guess it's not just the tool, rather the issue is wider than that: either your instance lemy.lol or PieFed.social (or both) are not communicating in the standard manner with one another. Fwiw, PieFed.social seems to have no trouble federating with (any? at least the vast majority?) of other Lemmy instances? But I will leave that to you and rimu to work out:-).
@melroy Unfortunately, as I explained elsewhere, the problem is that Meta has now "infected" the word thread. For this reason I would propose #topicverse also because in fact, it is not so much the "thread" that characterizes the Lemmy/xBin/Piefed/BBCode environment, but the ability to immediately identify the "topics". In fact, Mastodon also has the thread, even if it is unwatchable, but the topic display is only available in some software (and some apps like Raccoon for Friendica, which allow you to view the topics of activitypub groups also on Mastodon)
We also still have Fediverse, to encompass everything that implements the ActivityPub protocol, e.g. Friendica, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops (planned but not implemented yet iirc?). So the Threadiverse/Forumverse/Whatever is meant to distinguish from that.
Like PieFed has polls, post flairs, hashtags, categories of communities (basically multi-reddits), which are user customizable and shareable, and a lot more. Though lacking quite a bit of polish such as post and comment previews, and very little to almost no official app support (though an API was recently released and Thunder is being tested, and Interstellar already supports it). It's newer than Lemmy, but written in Python rather than the difficult Rust language, so in many ways has already surpassed Lemmy in terms of features (and even Reddit in some ways too, especially since the only new features there for the last decade were solely aimed at increasing profits rather than good experiences for the users).
Mbin's primary distinction is also supporting federation not only with Lemmy (and PieFed) but also Mastodon. And it has a different interface that some people prefer to Lemmy's. If you want both the Threadiverse/Forumverse/Whatever and Mastodon integration with a single account, this is the only option atm.
Both PieFed and Mbin are entirely separate implementations of the ActivityPub protocol, so whether you actually use them or not it is worth celebrating that Lemmy is now not the only one that implements this forum/thread/basically Reddit replacement style (other notable implementations include Friendica a Facebook replacement, and Mastodon an X/Twitter one, Pixelfed I think an Instagram one, etc.). Especially with Lemmy's association with "tankies" that tends to drive many people away (e.g. 100% of the people that I've ever told about Lemmy irl; and Reddit's r/RedditAlternatives is filled with stories of people who don't want to come here bc of all the BoTh SiDeS sAmE rhetoric that we allow here, plus Lemmy is somehow more authoritian than Reddit even, having a modlog but no modmail, no notification of a moderation event, no ability to discuss bc it simply says that a "mod" did it, and you don't have a right to even so much as be told that your content is now removed! instance admins have much more freedom here, it's fantastic, but actual users only have what manages to trickle down from them, and the software itself very much reflects an authoritarian mindset, even in comparison to Reddit).
Btw, fuck spez.
TLDR: Lemmy isn't the only game in town, yet we need a name that is both distinct from other Fediverse tools (Mastodon, Friendica, Pixelfed, Loops, etc.) while also being inclusive to the other Reddit replacement tools, currently Mbin and PieFed, but in the future including Sublinks, and who knows what else?
I've been using threadiverse, but I prefer forumverse
It's immediately clear what it's referring to, and it leaves it open to other compatible platforms once they implement activity pub nicely. Being able to subscribe and post to official support forums from the forumverse would be a cool promo point
Also people refer to many things as "threads". Conversations, comment sections, discord has threads. Forum is much more clear
I used to prefer "Forumverse" as well. But people don't seem to want to use it?
While "Threadiverse" seems to predate Meta's Threads here on Lemmy, see e.g. szmer.info/post/349217 and this comment from Ada lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/9384… from 2+ years ago. Tbf I did find a reference to Forumverse from 2 years ago as well, but then virtually nobody uses it again until essentially db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com rediscovers it a handful of months ago.
So "Threadiverse" has some history behind it, except then Meta ruined the association for many people. But... we here on Lemmy were using it first!!?
True, but doesn't Xhitter and Bluesky and Mastodon also have a type of voting? Even if it is called or functions slightly differently?
I did not explain much of the back story, but the Fediverse is already the term used to describe federated social media, so the term here that we need is to pick one that describes the specific subset of it that focuses on threaded conversions, centered around those topic areas (called posts, and then those topics being further aggregated into higher-level topics, called communities) rather than centered around a user tweeting/X-creting/whatever their shit.
And we also have a focus on much longer-form content than those others, which like Mastodon have smaller character limits imposed upon their thoughts (so that they cannot ramble on as I have done here:-).
I don't think likes serve the same function as votes. The downvote, the ranking as a function of score and recency, and the surfacing and consensus-building that comes as a result are the main point of this sort of platform.
By contrast, the microblog "like" (at least on a platform without an algorithm, like Mastodon) doesn't do anything other than express appreciation.
Threads are common in pretty much every form of social media now, from friend-aggregation sites like Facebook and Friendica to messaging services like Discord and Revolt. They're hardly exclusive to a Reddit/Lemmy-type service. Mastodon even organizes posts into threads (though I think that it does so in a much more clumsy way).
(Edit: by "don't they have votes?" do you mean polls? Because that's a completely different function altogether than the Lemmy/Reddit vote.)
No I did mean up & downvotes, and you added a good perspective. I don't use Mastodon and my main experience there was Kbin, now Mbin, which has both Boosts and actual upvotes (and reduces, which aren't shown, and downvotes).
I think you are correct: the voting was always the core behind why people liked Reddit, as compared to others at the time.
Although it seems like people are more adamant about remaining with Threadiverse, for the sake of history.
But if a new term was to be used, it would be good for it to reflect voting. Like Forumverse does, perhaps?
Yeah, I think "forumverse" isn't bad. Though I have always felt like a Reddit-like interface and a forum interface are fundamentally different, in some way I can't really put my finger on. I've been involved in bulletin board forums (fora?) in one aspect or another since the late 90s, so maybe it's just nostalgia vs. recency bias; though it could also be the feeling that a "forum" seems like it should be hyper-specific, with different subforums on an already-niche bulletin board scoping down to even more niche and specific areas.
(Side note: Actually, now that I think about it, maybe the forum -> topic -> thread connection is why people like the name "threadiverse." The word "thread" definitely seems like it arose from there.)
Anyway, I am fully ready to admit that I'm yelling at clouds here. Get off my lawn, dang kids and all that.
Lemmy already has the "New Comments" sort, which is the biggest feature of forums vs Reddit
Lemmy also has the "Chat" view for comments, which is good but needs to show context with them as my feature request here says github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/i…
Requirements This is a feature request and not a bug report. Otherwise, please create a new bug report instead. Please check to see if this request (or a similar one) already exists. It's a single ...
Yeah, what features? Polls? Community flairs? The ability to restrict downvotes to only members of a community? The ability to combine multiple communities into one overarching category? And then customize that without needing admin support, and then also share that with other users? The ability to personally block every user from an instance, again without requiring admin approval? The ability to automatically label every user that has a brand new account, less than two weeks old? Or that posts 10x more often than they comment, hence might be an unregistered bot account? Or that gives and receives 10x more downvotes than upvotes, so is at best a controversial and at worst a highly toxic personality - but again, independent of an admin or moderator, and instead being totally in control of the user? Or the ability to block posts based on keywords, but perhaps not all such posts, and instead having granularity of All vs. None vs. Some? Or offering hashtags for content discoverability beyond communities and categories of communities? Or the ability to follow anything you want - a community, a user, a post, a comment (even not made by you) - and arguably far more importantly, the ability to NOT receive notifications for something that you wrote?
PieFed has all of that, and more. Lemmy has none of it. Do as you please, but now you know. Check it out: piefed.social/ .
Edit: even Reddit lacks many of these features. As it enshittified, it kept adding features that attempted to boost its profitability, like various forms of irl coinage, rather than provide stuff that people actually wanted to see.
i think threadiverse is the move. partly because it's already in regular use and partky because it's very self-explanatory. forumverse could have some legs to it now that more traditional forum software like nodebb and soon flarum support federation now, maybe it could refer to the broader category containing traditional forums and the threadiverse, but i feel like leaving out the "fedi" part kinda defeats the point (threadiverse at least partially maintains it by being a pun on it). maybe fediforums is the way to go?
it's a whole 'nother can of worms but ironically in my experience the "verse" part of threadiverse is more offputting than the "thread" part because people think "metaverse," but that's just anecdotal and the term fediverse itself already has too much momentum to easily fall out of fashion
Yeah and I did not clarify well here that nobody will stop using Fediverse (I think?!): that is a fine term that should continue to exist. But we also need a term for the subset of that which the likes of Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, and now as you say nodebb and soon flarum (and perhaps eventually Sublinks?) and ofc many others will also join. What is this subset of the Fediverse to be called?
Ngl, I kinda just instantly fell in love with fediforums as you mentioned it right here. However, it also seems fairly similar to Fediverse, perhaps too much so?
Forumverse seems more distinct, from the Fediverse? As too does Threadiverse. And the latter has history and traction, but also seems a bit tainted by association with Meta, who seems to destroy everything that it touches? 😛 Though importantly, we here on Lemmy were using it first! So is that enough justification to reclaim the term, in people's minds? What do you in particular think?
Personally I dislike anything with -verse involved because big companies have run it into the ground and then some.
The boring, dry ways of describing them work best in my opinion.
Federated forums is the driest, most technical and to the point but not very telling.
Swap out forum for link aggregator and you have similar, arguably even more technical (certainly more of a mouthful).
Connected/linked forums might be more approachable, more readily conveying how these are separate forums but networked together.
Cross-forums may work as well to the same end, but not sure how immediately understandable cross may be in this context and outside of gaming spaces.
Whatever the case I kind of think this has things backwards. What's more important than describing and talking about the backend tech is pointing people to any of the sites built with them that have anything of interest to them to bother with. I can't think of anything online I've ever gone to or used because someone told me it was using Apache, Nginx, phpBB, or like an Open Source Web Server or using such and such CDN.
The reason why is simple: next to nobody talks like that. The only people that might are deep in web dev.
On the other hand, the software used has an ENORMOUS effect upon the quality and such of the communication. e.g. forum software such as Lemmy allow much longer-form, topic-based discussions than e.g. Mastodon where you have to follow a particular user account or else you won't see anything at all. So "Mastodon" implies extreme difficulty in having conversations in the first place, especially for non-technical, normie users, and also a heavily short-form tweets/X-cretes/skeets/whatever, user-centric form of communication. Whereas Lemmy allows me to ramble on for quite awhile, and even if you don't follow my account, by being interested in this topic, you'll see my words.
So software isn't everything, but it also is not nothing either.
Anyway, we could call ourselves anything we like. Brain-dead fart pirates, I don't care, so long as we pick a name:-). It might help to pick one that people like though, especially the people that contribute much to making this place what it is.
I personally don't mind -verse. I don't watch most Marvel movies to begin with, and the word itself carries connotations of "the universe", which is what we want I think bc we are talking about like "the set of all, i.e. the universe of, connected (using ActivityPub protocol) forum-like software platforms". Hence Fediverse at the high end, i.e. including such platforms as Mastodon and Friendica and Pixelfed, but at the lower end... what there? Threads? ActivityPub Forums? Any short, catchy moniker may work -> so what is it then?
And flarum and Sublinks may be added at some point as well.
So the plus syntax, now that there's already 4-6 of them (7 if you count Kbin but there's only a single instance in the entire world, in Poland I believe, that uses it these days, everyone else switched to Mbin), seems untenable?
But now with +PieFed, +nodebb, and soon +flarum, and perhaps +Sublinks, Lemmyville doesn't seem very inclusive?
I already started this as a poll about post flairs, neither of which features is nor is expected to appear on Lemmy very soon iirc. The rest of the Fediverse isn't waiting around for coders to learn Rust and eventually getting around to adding features to Lemmyville.
So Lemmy in particular may want to not start being exclusive! It will get left behind if it does!
I think one of the major tropes present in the show was to demonstrate how there aren't simply white hats vs. black hats (to use cowboy terms). Mal is a criminal, "forced" into living that way bc the government won't "allow" him to live legitimately (except... really? Why won't they again?). Therefore, the presence of great darkness within his lightness, or as you might prefer the presence of occasional boughts of lightness within his darkness, is not a "bug", it's a "feature" of the show, to walk out that yin and yang in a fantasy space opera setting.
Nobody is perfect. Some are far less so than others. Those at least tend to be aware of their imperfections, as opposed to e.g. The Galactic Empire muwhahaha, ahem cough, anyways they seem so stolid, so absolutely certain of their moral righteousness, that unlike the criminal Mal who often isn't such a bad guy once you get to know him, commits atrocities the likes of which would turn people's stomachs, if they knew (hence those are kept as closely guarded secrets).
So I think you missed that: from the perspective of the show, that was no accident - that was literally the entire point of what they were attempting to convey. Mal was not a "good guy". He just had light in his darkness, the same way that the empire has darkness in its light (or is it rather the other way around?).
Yay Jayne was fairly simplistic. The dude barely had any morality bc he was more animal than man. So in that way he played a "straight man" to Mal'a greater level of complexity? He even gave voice to what many of the others were thinking, including Mal himself, but they had the grace to not say it.
True evil requires a minimum amount of "character" in order to achieve anything at all - great or otherwise. So it's less like Jayne was "bad" and the government was "good", and more like Jayne was simplisticly animal-like, while the true evils rose up much higher. With great power comes great responsibility, or whatever.
Jayne is like a wall painting in the background - he's scenery?
As far as Whedon, I dunno, I like a lot of his works, I don't like his character. The two aren't entirely connected in my mind, though perhaps they should be more so, I just don't know.
On the other hand, wasn't all of this pretty much happening even while the show was still in production? You mentioned that it had "aged", so I wasn't coming at this from a perspective of bad show vs. good show, but from it having been a good show where something external caused its goodness to have tanked. If it had been bad at the start, then we wouldn't say that it "aged", just that the show sucked. Which it didn't... and yet, also... didn't it always though? That yin and yang seemed to me to have not been so much changed by the passage of time?
Edit: oh, I haven't heard of whatever has been revealed about the actor who plays Jayne. Maybe that's what you meant. It might change my own perspective of the show in that case. I would hope not actually... but it might.
I'm not sure what you mean by that -> if you mean that we need new episodes, then absolutely! Or if you mean that real life has caught up to implementing those ideas real-time, I think that was always going to be the case, sadly...🙁
I think, the "threadiverse" is more akin to the old (also federated, just in a different way) Usenet / Newsgroups than web-forums. So "ScoopGroups", maybe?
Forumverse : for any news and features about Lemmy, Mbin, NodeBB, PieFed
So it can't be Lemmy,Mbin,PieFed. And i'm adding flarum.
However, we can create separate category : - aggregator link : lemmy,mbin,piefed - forum : nodebb, flarum
1) Thank to Meta, i don't like it... 2) My favorite one, it remind me of forum era 3) Abstract and beautiful. Poetry, bible and verb. Something we have never see before 😊. 4) i'm against. Link aggregator shouldn't be tied by a software name but a global concept as thread of forum. If i have 6 softwares...do you write them all ? 5) linkagg lousy but pratical. Bad name are the best. 😎
I think we should redo the post, but, for now, let's see where it go 😊
If you have a PieFed account, you can create a post and add its flair.
So i created few one : - Announcement : only moderators. Update about this community. Please, don't use it. 😔 - Blog : for any news and features about writefreely, wordpress - Forumverse : for any news and features about Lemmy, Mbin, NodeBB, PieFed - Media : for any news and features about Peertube, Pixelfed, Loops... - Microblog : for any news and features about Mastodon, Iceshrimp, Misskey - Discussion : For talking about...the fediverse - Event : for event in the fediverse as !lemmyvision@[url=https://jlai.lu/]jlai.lu[/url] or !canvas@toast.ooo - Question : If you need help - Tutorial : for wiki and tuto
So far, mainly from this post bc the poll has such a small sample size, the term that seems vastly preferred is Threadiverse. Bc of its history, and how people have already been calling it that. Sort this post by Hot to see what I mean.
I don't think Forumverse is "bad", plus as you say it better represents the new additions of nodebb and flarum. Although that term would be swimming against the tide of people that have been using Threadiverse all this time and seem to not want to switch (possibly bc I did not explain the situation well, especially the clarification about the term Fediverse already existing, and now how the situation is a bit different wrt nodebb and flarum).
Ofc this is all just on a Sunday -> there is still lots of room for things to happen in the next coming days, to see how these results may shift:-).
When the first Reddit migration happened, the migrants called it #Threadiverse and has always been that way. Although some tried to change it (Threads was not around yet, or public, IIRC), it didn't work, the migrants prefer Threadiverse so it stuck.
Changing names in the Fediverse is not easy since it has grown humongous already. Back in 2008 it was simply called #Identiverse. Then a few years later it morphed into the #Fediverse (this was before ActivityPub, yes, the Fediverse is years older than ActivityPub).
Back in 2021/2022, we tried to change the name "Fediverse" because Twitter migrants and the Press/Media were whining too much about it. Even though we reached a consensus, the we were far too small compared to the number of new people.
The people who kept on complaining about the name "Fediverse", when they were asked to participate in the disucssion and polls, they did not. When they were presented with the new name, they either ignored us or started whining again. 🤷🏽
Anyway, if there's a huge population involved, it's not going to be easy.
Now, I'm not discouraging you, rather, I shared our experience in the hopes that you'll find a better way. Because personally, I'm not so fond of "Threadiverse", haha.
If you use, for example, the lemmyBB interface, it's no longer "threadi", it's a forum. 😝 (I know, lame reason.)
Oh! One thing that came out of trying to rename the Fediverse, people don't want "-verse" anywhere because it's overused. Multiverse. Metaverse. Fediverse. Threadiverse. Benverse. Omniverse. Panverse. Whoverse. Trekverse.
It started as a suggestion, then we compiled it and made phases of polls. (The instance clised shop, unfortunately.)
Based on those, the most that got the votes was the suggestion "Mycelium". It was inspired by Star Trek: Discovery and the real-world mycelium.
The second one, I can't remember but it was also related to nature's fungi or plants.
The list of suggestions and votes were based on who participated. And at the time it was done, it was the Twitter Migration, and people were complaining loudly about the name "Fediverse". And yet, those who participated were mostly pre-Migration people (who generally didn't have a strong issue with "Fediverse"). 😄
Threadiverse kinda captures it, but it also calls association with Threads (by Meta), like if it's the parent of it, while in fact it's not even part of it.
The word itself sounds nice, but is the least inclusive.
That's like saying that all of these conversations that we all have are on Lemmy.World? Sure, it's between 50 and 80% true (users and the most active communities, respectively, including this one we are in now), but it misses a ton of nuance and detail there.
PieFed, Mbin, and now nodebb, with others on the way (flarum, perhaps Sublinks) also exist.
So why call this all "Lemmy", when that's only a part - granted, by far the majority portion - of the whole?
The Bluesky and ATmosphere reports are back after I was occupied last week with the Ahoy! conference about ATProto in Hamburg. It was amazing to meet so many cool people in real life, and share the excitement of working on this network together. There were some great talks, and just being around people who you can talk in-depth about Bluesky and ATProto with is just great. Hoping to see many more ATProto conferences pop up and meet more of you in real life.
A practical note: if you missed the ATmosphere report last week, a reminder that I’m also sending out the reports via email every Friday. This comes with an extra analysis article that’s not on the website, so don’t forget to subscribe!
Bluesky launches a blue check verification system
Bluesky has launched a new verification system for their platform, with blue checkmarks. With the checkmark system, Bluesky selects a few Trusted Verifiers, who can hand out checkmarks. Bluesky PBC will also hand out checkmarks to “authentic and notable accounts”. The main reason for this system’s existence is that the other verification system, using domain names as handles, did not perform well enough. Bluesky PBC says that 270k accounts have set their own domain name as a handle, but not enough high-profile accounts have done so. The other problem with domain names as verification is that many well-known public figures do not have a well-known website. The first organisations that are Trusted Verifiers in the Bluesky app are the New York Times and Wired Magazine.
Bluesky PBC advertises the new checkmark verification system with its Trusted Verifiers as “a healthy digital society should distribute power”. However, it is unclear with the current implementation to what extend power is actually distributed. Bluesky PBC is the one who selects the Trusted Verifiers that can be displayed in their app. In their blog post, they also write: “Bluesky will review these verifications as well to ensure authenticity.” To me, it seems far from distributing power, and can at best be seen as distributing operational work. With Bluesky PBC holding full control of who gets to be a Trusted Verifier, as well as reviewing their output, how much power has Bluesky PBC actually distributed?
The new checkmark verification system is not exclusive to the Bluesky app however, and it is build on an open system. Anyone can create verifications or become a Verifier, as all the data for verification is openly accessible to anyone. The only difference is that verifications that are not made by Bluesky PBC or one of their Trusted Verifiers will not be visible in the official Bluesky clients. Other systems have already sprung up, a new verifier tool by cred.blue allows anyone to easily hand out verifications. The Deer client, which is a fork of the Bluesky client, already allows for anyone to set their own Verifiers as well. I’ll talk more about this in an upcoming article, as what is happening with Deer and verification has some interesting implications on how the network will likely develop.
For now, Bluesky PBC has build a technologically cool system, which also solves a meaningful problem that their app has in the short term. While the way it is currently implemented falls short of the advertised distribution of power regarding verification, the team is clear that this is an early implementation and that the system will evolve later.
Streamplace funding
Some news from streaming software Streamplace:
Streamplace has raised 100k Livepeer tokens, worth around 500k USD, from the Livepeer Treasury to further expand the Streamplace platform. The money will be used to expand the team, enhance infrastructure and build a deeper integration with ATProto, as well as building content moderation infrastructure.
A short explanation of Livepeer, and how it relates to Streamplace. Livepeer is a decentralised network for video transcoding and processing. Transcoding (in this context) processes the video stream to make it accessible in various formats and qualities, so a stream can be viewed both by someone on a slow internet connection in 360p, as well as someone with fast internet in 4K definition. Livepeer is a DAO, with an attached crypto token. Streamplace uses Livepeer for the video transcoding, and because of this integration, which allows the Livepeer network to grow as well, the Livepeer DAO has awarded Streamplace 100k tokens, currently worth around 500k USD. It is unclear to me how the Livepeer token works, with its corresponding tokenomics, and where the value of the tokens is coming from.
Streamplace creator Eli Mellon gave an interview on the devtools-fm podcast where Eli goes into more detail on the background of Streamplace and how the software works.
Two other ATProto apps are working on integration Streamplace. Skylight already announced earlier to be working with Streamplace. At the ATProto conference Ahoy in Hamburg last week Joe Basser, co-founder of the ATProto video platform, announced to be working on livestreaming with Streamplace as well.
Streamplace is hiring a Decentralized Video Protocol Engineer and a Lead Front-End Engineer
An OBS overlay to display Streamplace chat on-stream.
An update on relays and independent infra
Bluesky PBC made some changes to how their relays work, with an update with the unassuming name of ‘Sync 1.1′. The update made it much cheaper to run relays, as they do not have to store data of the entire network anymore. This has made a drastic impact on running relays. Last month, independent developer @futurset up a relay on his own Raspberry Pi. Now Phil, another independent developer, has set up multiple relays and made them publicly accessible. This means that there are now multiple other full-network relays that index the entire network, that are outside of US jurisdiction. Just as importantly, running these full-network relays is cheap, with costs getting as low as 18 USD per month. Feed builder Graze is also creating their own implementation of a relay: Turbostream includes a large amount of extra information in the stream. For example, where Jetstream (a simplified version of a relay) broadcasts a reply, Turbostream broadcasts a reply together with the post that is being replied to, as well as a range of other information. This in turn makes it easier to other parties to build on, as most information needed is already included in Turbostream.
These developments leads to some interested new questions. When it comes to running a relay, technology and costs are clearly not barriers anymore. But what about moderation and uptime guarantees? Is having a relay that many other parties depend on even the right model of the network?
It also calls the model that the Free Our Feeds campaign had in mind, which aligned more with a perspective of expensive and large relays. Today, Free Our Feeds announced that they will donate a 50k USD grant to a new IndieSky Working Group. The IndieSky came out of the second day of the conference, organised by Boris Mann and Ted Han. Mann and Han are behind the ATProtocol Developer Community Group, and also organised the first ATProto conference in Seattle last month. The goal of IndieSky is to “work together on R&D, code, and infrastructure on how and why to run different parts of the ATProto stack”, with more details in the announcement. The first meeting for the working group is on May 8th.
In Other News
The Ahoy! conference for the European Social Web was last week, and as an extremely biased person who helped organise the conference I think it was a great success! Massive shout-out to Sebastian Korfmann who has done an incredible amount of work getting the conference to such a great place, super impressive. During the conference I did some longer video interviews with some of the people in the community, those videos will be released in the coming weeks. The main takeaway for me from the conference was to see the amount of positive energy and enthusiasm in the community. People are aware that they are contributing to a space that has massive potential and is undergoing rapid changes. I’m excited to see more conferences for ATProto, and meet more people from the community in real life, as it has been super great to meet the people at Ahoy!.
Turtleisland.social is a Mastodon server for the North American Native/Indigenous community. They have set up their own PDS server for community members to join Bluesky as well. Community-centered data hosting is one of the possibilities with the PDS system of Bluesky that is mentioned regularly as an option, but has not been borne out much yet. Two other communities are in the process of building out a similar structure: Blacksky is creating their own PDS software for the Black community, and Northsky is building out systems that allow people to easily migrate their ATProto account to a Northsky PDS. It’s worth pointing out here that the early adopters of new technology on social networking are all minority communities. For people building social networks this provides a pragmatic argument (besides the much more important ethical argument) for creating safe digital spaces: the people for whom safety is the most crucial are also the most likely to be early adopters of new technologies.
Not all early adoption is by minority communities: Gander.social is a newly announced social network on ATProto, focusing on the Canadian community. Gander has a lot of plans for features that make it stand out from the Bluesky app. The project is still in development, and it seems once the project gets closer to launch it will become clearer what the ATProto integration will actually entail.
Bluesky has made some changes to their PDS, allowing people to sign up directly for an ATProto account on a PDS without going through the Bluesky app. Link aggregator platform Frontpage is one of the first to take advantage of this, allowing account creation on the Frontpage platform now.
Bluesky PBC is joining Lexicon Community Technical Steering Committee. Bluesky Engineer Bryan Newbold will be the representative. It signals a growing maturity of the ecosystem, that an effort run by the ATProto developer community can come to a place where Bluesky joins the initiative on an equal footing.
Openvibe is a multi-network client that combines someones Mastodon, Bluesky, Nostr and Threads accounts into a single app. Their latest update is an customisable For You algorithmic timeline, which combines posts from multiple networks into a unified algorithmic timeline.
Newsletter publishing platform Ghost now has a simple setting to share posts on Bluesky, via the ActivityPub bridge. This was already possible with Bridgy Fed, but that required some manual steps, where it is now a simple toggle setting.
The Links
For the protocol-minded people:
A proposal for private images (not posts!) on ATProto.
Proposal: A Simple XRPC Method for Signing Payloads in ATProtocol
News from Bluesky takes the most popular links on the network and displays them in an interface more like Hacker News.
Bluesky video client Skylight is working on a dislike feature so people can further fine tune their algorithm.
An example of how inauthentic accounts use Starter Packs to quickly build a following and integrate themselves into the network.
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bsky.app login screen at the top right showing account creation changed to turtleis.land Our Bluesky Personal Data Server joins our Mastodon server for a more complete Native/Indigenous social media experience The Bluesky Native community is much lar…
Hello! We're the team that builds and supports Mastodon, alongside the community. Today, we wanted to share an update on our organisation. blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/05/…
In the coming weeks, we'll be using this account to share a wider range of posts about what we're working on - events we're attending, updates from team members, and so on. You can also follow the core engineering team @MastodonEngineering and if you have an account on mastodon.social or mastodon.online (the two instances we operate) you can follow @staff
You can also expect to see us sharing more about the project outside of the Fediverse (in places like LinkedIn or YouTube) - this is so that more people can hear about a better, decentralised and more user-oriented alternative to legacy platforms.
i think this is great news! We need more people to know about mastodon. But. I worry about the things people have complained about in the past. Difficulty signing up, confusion around choosing a home instance, too many decisions having to be made in order to get started. and lastly, unfortunately, and unwelcoming user base.
I realize that some of this is out of your control. and some is human nature rather than a technical problem to solve. But i see a lot of folks try mastodon. and never even get past signup. Is there something that can be done there so that new users are not immediately turned off to the platform?
@gangrif thanks for these questions! We are working on it, and we're excited that some of the new folks on the core team bring fresh perspectives on these topics. We think we've made some improvements in the past couple of releases and we'll continue to do so.
but currently, mastodon is by far to complicated. How will you go on fixing the huge usability shortcomings with finding people, finding posts, following people, reposting, reacting and stuff like this. I mean you said you will share things outside the fediverse. But people clicking on shared things there will just notice the problem right away.
@fabiscafe thanks for this feedback. We've got a new designer joining soon, we have other new team members with additional perspectives. We've also been working on the Fediscovery project fediscovery.org to improve some of the things you mentioned. We're moving forwards!
Thanks! Please let us know any progress. I wanted to open a usability-collection-issue on github listing all the currently known shortcommings. Do you think this is something worth doing at this point?
@fabiscafe thank you so much for wanting to help! We have a lot of open issues, suggestions and discussions (as you can probably see on GitHub) so please look to see whether anything you want to open has already been created before logging something new.
It seems to me that what is necessary is more order on the GitHub suggestions: duplicates, suggestions that have been already ruled out, features impossibile to do, or otherwise easy to implement, suggestions not relevant because they pertain to specific apps or instances and not the software, etc. etc.
That would make easier for the team to make decisions and for the community to contribute.
it will be tricky to liberate people from legacy social media platforms. People that embrace the values and vision of the #fediverse have already migrated years ago, despite the usability issues. New opportunities do come when there are major shocks, like political events but luck favors the prepared: #bluesky grew a lot as of late because of a smoother UX and catering in particular to US users fleeing X/Tweeter.
@bazkie we appreciate the hesitation about those organisations, but we're hiring individuals and their experience, rather than the company they worked for in previous lives. There's a strong value alignment amongst the people in the team.
@vosje62 After @bazkie 's reply, she/he immediately blocked me 😄
Didn't even give me a chance to answer the question . Oh well.. @Mastodon
My answer would have been: Now you are being judgemental again and rude. You don't know me, but I believe in giving people a second, third and even way more chances.
This is good news. As the premiere platform on Fediverse, Mastodon needs a more mature organization to continue demonstrating what decentralized social media can really be.
It is more important than ever that the social web is not controlled by corporations. Today, Mastodon is taking another step towards its founding ideals: independence and non-profit ownership.
@mkj thanks for this! This is high on our list of priorities, but we do need to get the new organisational entity created first. Hopefully it will not be too long 🤞🏻
Why did you lose your nonprofit status in Germany in 2024?
And where's all this money for staff coming from? I thought you were unable to hire the trust & safety lead because the crowdfunding campaing stalled -- but you're bringing in several C-levels and a new project manager?
Why are those a higher priority than moderation policies and tooling?
@owls thanks for the questions. The non-profit situation is a major reason for our restructuring to a better organisational model / foundation. No new C-level hire in this update. Trust & Safety remains a high priority and we are absolutely working on the tooling side of things (and every hire comes with T&S in mind); we're also grateful to the team that looks after our hosted instances.
Awesome! As a bit of feedback, since Mastodon is european, and roughly half of the users are european, it would be great to see more european posts/news/suggested accounts in the explore tabs. 😊
To be honest, I really think that Mastodon should not have a prominent office in the US, but it should be clear to be a European entity under EU laws.
With the US office in New York mentioned on the website as prominent as it is, I think might very well turn a lot of people who want a break from US tech away from using Mastodon.
@AngelaScholder thank you, we're working on this with the new European non-profit that is being created right now. We do need to list the details of the US 501(c)(3) entity (which is for fundraising) on the site, but totally understand your point. Please stand by while the necessary processes are completed.
Mastodon is right, chill, it doesn't matter where they came from. Only thing that matters is "what can they do for us."
It doesn't matter that they presumably worked quietly and happily for organizations that do everything they can to profit, especially things that wreck our country and the planet
I mean, we imported actual Nazis from Germany to work on rocketry, and now we have the world's most advanced space program and NO OTHER PROBLEMS associated with Nazery WHATSOEVER
W la Friendica (che dio la benedèndica): la guida al Facebook del Fediverso
La guida di Informapirata a Friendica, dedicata a tutti coloro che dal Fediverso vogliono ottenere tutto il possibile.
Un Mastodon con gli steroidi e attualmente l’unica alternativa a Facebook di tutto il Fediverso. Con mille pregi e, soprattutto, mille difetti. E mai nessuno che ci spieghi come utilizzarlo.
Posts made by a Fosstodon server moderator on Reddit has caused some drama, leading to both Fosstodon admins to call it quits, a number of servers (threatening to) defederate from the Fosstodon server, leading to an uncertain future for the Fosstodon server.
Fosstodon drama
A few days ago someone published a post on Mastodon, with screenshots and links to posts made on Reddit by one of the Fosstodon moderators. In the linked posts, the Reddit account in question, which seemingly belongs to the Fosstodon moderator, holds various right-wing beliefs, ranging from defending the deportation of Mahmoud Khalil to claiming Democrat supporters are in a cult. Backlash to the Fosstodon server was swift and strong, with various calls and plans from other servers to defederate from Fosstodon, members of the Fosstodon server looking for other servers to move their account to, and a general condemnation from the wider community. Both Fosstodon admins have postedarticles declaring they are stepping down, citing not only the current drama as a reason, but that they see the work of being server admins as frustrating with little pay-off. One Fosstodon community member is considering to take over the administration of the server, though as of writing, that process is still ongoing and the outcome unclear.
Some thoughts and takeaways about what this drama says about the social side of federation on the network, and how different communities interact:
When a server moderators holds opinions other people view as problematic, the social cost of these views is partially extended to server users as well. See for example the account for fediverse streaming platform Owncast, which has an account on the Fosstodon server. Owncast says that they are getting messages that say they need to move servers, otherwise people will see them as Nazis. This blog post about another Fosstodon user explains a similar thought process, where it is rational for them to move to a different server, because they will be associated with the politics of the server moderator in question otherwise.
This behaviour has an impact on how people on the fediverse should find an instance they want to join. It turns out that knowing the political affiliations of server moderators is important, and that this is something that people should know about before joining a server. People will be judged for being on a server that has a moderator with toxic political views. As such, it becomes important for people to know this information beforehand: both that they will get judged for the politics of server moderators, as well as knowing what those political views actually are.
This is another indication of why the process of selecting a server when someone joins the fediverse is actually a challenge: important information that should impact server choice is not made available to users, nor is it made clear that this information is important in the first place.
The second takeaway from the situation is that it shows a need for fediverse servers to have a federation policy. How federation currently works on the fediverse is that servers are connected with each other by default, and the assumption is that servers can disconnect from each other for any reason, but will mostly do so only if one of the servers is misbehaving in some way. Freedom of association is one of the valuable features of the fediv erse. Server operators should be free to defederate from any other server, for any reason. Being able to defederate from another server because you strongly disagree with the politics from one of the server moderators is a good thing. But if this is a consistent policy of the server, it would do well to make this policy public and explicit. Servers defederating from each other can have significant impact on users, who suddenly can lose connections with their friends. A policy of defederating from other servers based on the expressed beliefs of server moderators is something that is not immediately obvious to new people joining the fediverse. There are absolutely valid reasons to do so, but it seems to me that formalising such a policy would be a good step towards making the culture on the fediverse more sustainable.
The third takeaway is that running a fediverse server is challenging, especially over longer periods of time. Both Fosstodon admins have called in quits in response to the most recent drama. Their blog posts explaining their perspectives is that this has been a long time coming, and that the Fosstodon server has been uncompensated work that they do not love doing for years now. Regardless of one’s perspective on how the admins handled the latest situation, it is a further indication that being a fediverse server admin is a challenging job, one that should not be expected that someone can do forever. This means that servers like Fosstodon need governance systems that allow for better and earlier rotation of administrative power. Fediverse software should also be better at dealing with the realities of admin burnout. The users who are transferring from Fosstodon to another server will lose their posts; Mastodon does only transfer the social graph, and not posting history. While ideally the majority of servers would have extensive governance systems in place that can help deal with admin burnout, the reality is that most servers do not. More fediverse software should provide better support for users having to move to different servers, including with their posts.
The Links
NLnet, a fund that contributes to many open-source initiatives with a long track record of support fediverse projects, has published the beneficiaries of their latest funding round. PeerTube has gotten another grant, and publisher Framasoft talked about more how the money will be spend in their 2025 roadmap. The other fediverse beneficiary is an OpenScience flavour of Bonfire. Bonfire is an upcoming fediverse platform with a broad range of features, but the platform has struggled to get to an actual release. Bonfire published a blog post about their ‘road to Bonfire 1.0’ in September 2023, and an update in October 2024 where they announced a bounty program to get contributions to improve performance of the app.
The Doo the Woo podcast, hosted by WordPress ActivityPub plugin developer Matthias Pfefferle, interviewed André Menrath. Menrath is working on a plugin to bring WordPress events to ActivityPub.
The Bad Space is a project where various fediverse servers share their blocklists to build an aggregate of fediverse servers that are potentially worth blocking. The project is now available for self-hosting.
Some new features for FediAlgo, a customisable timeline algorithm for Mastodon, including a ‘What’s Trending’ feature.
A writeup on how to make a blog site using Lemmy as data storage.
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Bonfire is inching ever closer towards a 1.0 release of its social offering, which is a landmark development for the project. But beneath the surface, there's a bigger story going on: rather than simp
🚩ATTENZIONE🚩: il 2 maggio è prevista la migrazione di Pixelfed.uno su un nuovo server dedicato![i]
Venerdì 2 maggio, l'istanza Pixelfed.uno verrà spostata su un server più veloce e capiente per sostenere la sua recente crescita(sono stati superati i 500GB di immagini condivise!).
[b]⚠️ Cosa aspettarsi: - Interruzioni durante i lavori (il sito sarà offline alcune ore). - Nessun dato perso: tutte le foto e i profili saranno al sicuro!
Perché la migrazione? 🚀 Pixelfed.uno è la prima istanza italiana pixelfed e la prima consigliata dopo quella ufficiale: pixelfed.org/servers e c'è l'intenzione di mantenerla veloce, gratuita e senza pubblicità
@Daniel Supernault I think the ability to sort servers by number of active users is missing, but I still like the interface. Thanks for all the work you've done!
25 aprile (Europa) All’ingresso del Clubheim, grande sala e birreria del Millerntor - lo stadio del St. Pauli - e principale punto di ritrovo di soci e tifosi del club, ieri sera campeggiavano bandiere rosse e delle Brigate Garibaldi.
Questo è l'account di servizio dell'istanza italiana #Poliversity, nata per dare ospitalità a #giornalisti e #studiosi italiani e che consente di scrivere post lunghi fino a 9999 caratteri e formattati!
Poliversity.it utilizza il fork #Mastodon Glitch-soc per consentire opzioni aggiuntive come la formattazione del testo, la scrittura di messaggi visibili solo in locale, la modalità thread e... gli scarabocchi 😅
Poliversity.it evolve grazie a Mastodon Glitch-soc, un fork amichevole. Poliversity consentirà quindi post lunghi fino a 9999 caratteri, formattazione del testo, scrittura di messaggi visibili solo in locale, modalità thread e… gli scarabocchi
Poliversity.it evolve grazie a Mastodon Glitch-soc, un fork amichevole. Poliversity consentirà quindi post lunghi fino a 9999 caratteri, formattazione del testo…
Poliversity è un progetto congiunto nato come spin-off di @poliverso (un'istanza italiana basata su #Friendica e dedicata alla discussione su politica e società) e de @lealternative.net (un blog che propone le migliori alternative open source al software proprietario).
Altri nostri progetti sono il blog di @informapirata e l'istanza Lemmy italiana @feddit
Vorrei ringraziare tutti i nostri iscritti che ci segnalano i contenuti di spam e tutti gli altri contenuti che danneggiano la qualità del #Fediverso
Le segnalazioni aiutano @amministratore e tutti noi moderatori di questa e di tutte le altre istanze che le ricevono a mantenere curato il giardino e a rendere più bella l'esperienza di ognuno qui dentro.
Nessun moderatore può tenere sotto controllo ogni messaggio pubblicato se non viene aiutato da tutta la comunità!
proprio stamattina ho scritto un messaggio in cui sottolineavo quanto il lavoro dei moderatori deve essere assolutamente affiancato dal comportamento del singolo utente che recepisce le regole di convivenza su mastodon e difende questo prezioso spazio di dialogo.
@Xebeche verissimo. I moderatori fanno quanto gli è consentito dagli strumenti che hanno a disposizione, ma è importante che ognuno si senta responsabile del mantenimento dei beni comuni
When FediForum got cancelled a few weeks ago, I heard from multiple participants that they were planning to showcasing some new features or products that they’ve been working on. The sudden last-minute cancellation has caused uncertainty on how to proceed, and there has not been a new date set for FediForum (nor is it clear in what format it will continue, if any). However, by and large participants have decided not to showcase or present their work outside of FediForum. This shows the influential role that FediForum plays in the fediverse development ecosystem. It is important avenue for developers to showcase their work to the rest of the developer community, with no clear replacement for it. As such, the news for the fediverse is especially slow this week.
An update from the Catodon project (a fork of a fork of Misskey), which is still on hiatus.
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🌐 Perché alcuni account sembrano "vuoti" nel fediverso?
Gli account esterni (es. @nemeyes o @gametrack) si vedono solo se qualcuno della tua istanza li segue. Questo evita di sovraccaricare le piccole istanze con dati non necessari
✅ Vantaggi: Risparmio di risorse, le istanze piccole si federano solo con una piccola parte del fediverso. Chiunque può gestire un’istanza low-cost!
❌ Svantaggi: moltissimi account nelle istanze piccole rimangono non visibili perchè nessuno li segue.
FediDB.org has proven to be a very useful fediverse resource.
Thanks to @dumpsterqueer for helping me address some robots.txt crawler bugs!
I'm thrilled to announce that I'm nearly finished rewriting FediDB's frontend, and will be publishing the source code finally as we migrate away from the current paid theme which prevented that.
I look forward to working with the community to steward this resource!
Has there really been a decline in MAU in the Fediverse overall in the last month, or is that because your system of measuring their number has changed?
La comunicazione e l'advocacy sul social web aperto stanno fallendo. Tutti cercano di dire qualcosa, ma in realtà nessuno dice nulla.
Il linguaggio tecnico non funziona. Questo include il "Fediverso". Le campagne isolate su reti decentralizzate non funzionano. Affermando la "purezza" della piattaforma, nessuno impara a conoscere questi spazi. "Costruisci e arriveranno" non è vero. Gli esseri umani sono cose complesse e hanno bisogno di più di quattro mura per sentirsi a casa.
My experience at the International Journalism Festival, 2025
When does compensation become complacency?
I posed the question above to a small group discussing the intersection of technology and news media at the International Journalism Festival la…
@notizie bluesky doesn't force you to pick a server. Picking a server is like pledging allegiance. It's a lot of responsibility. For jornos in particular often important to uphold an aura of impartiality.
@teirdes I'm sorry but this is a totally fallacious reasoning that can be forgiven to an uninformed user, but it is not acceptable on the part of a journalist.
First of all, there are many instances dedicated to journalism, but each of them has particularities: instances based on the verification of the journalist, others pertaining to a particular linguistic area, others still linked to a specific political area. For example, we created an Italian Mastodon instance for journalists and academics and we accompanied it with a special version of Mastodon that allows you to create long and formatted texts. Well, it was of no use: academics are ten times more than journalists!.
Beyond these instances, there are others of a generalist nature, multilingual or localized in the national language.
Finally, there is always the possibility of creating your own instance: a personal instance of the individual journalist or an instance of the organization to which it belongs (publisher, newspaper, cooperative, collective). Without excluding the possibility of federating your Wordpress blog (a very simple action: all you need is a free plugin) or creating a newsletter on Ghost.
As you can see, no journalist would be forced to embrace an instance.
The problem is mainly attributable to journalists: 1) their laziness 2) their ignorance of the Fediverse (which was initially sold as an alternative to Twitter, but IT HAS NEVER BEEN AND CANNOT BECOME SO 3) the subjection that journalists suffer from fashions (Bluesky and Threads)
On our part, on the part of us activists of the Fediverse, there is obviously some blame, including that of having presented the Fediverse as something difficult to explain and not as something easy to use.
@notizie have you tried simply sending journalists spam email to market your journalism oriented servers? Or for instance awareness raising through their labour unions or clubs?
@teirdes I had the presumption to identify some journalists who I thought were more sensitive to the issue of decentralization and the independence of their digital presence. I limited myself to those. Many of them didn't even answer me, while others told me that they would have preferred to register in an international instance, demonstrating that they had understood absolutely nothing about decentralization. And in fact their profiles have stopped being active for a couple of years now... 😅
Now for a while I've been dealing more with the consolidation of the instance rather than with new entries, but I will surely soon start doing a bit of a broad-spectrum campaign again, as you suggested and as I should have done from the beginning
@teirdes Thank you, even if it would take a specific commitment in each Nation, explaining well, based on the characteristics of the national publishing industry, What could be the strengths of opening your publishing to the Fediverse. Of course one of the critical points that I see is that of advertising collection and fundraising in general. Publishing and monetization in fact go hand in hand, with the additional variable due to the fact that many online newspapers are actually fictitious and designed only to publish garbage pre-digested by artificial intelligence. In this scenario, real journalism finds itself facing new critical issues and unfair competition. Asking publishers to enter the Fediverse without solving this problem is very difficult
@notizie in sweden the labour union for journalists should be able to act. They could surely cooperate with some tech NGO. the larger challenges for news media... The problem is that owners of media organisations are complacent. Public service broadcasting? The industry is very inflexible in its financial models due to copyright and poorly enforced data protection laws
Facciamo i complimenti per il bel risultato all'istituto Galilei di Verona e ad @Carlo il coraggioso amministratore di quella che è ancora l'unica istanza scolastica italiana!
Mercoledì 2 aprile 2025, presso la succursale del Liceo Galileo Galilei di Verona, si sono svolti i Campionati Regionali di Dama, un appuntamento atteso e partecipato che ha coinvolto ventidue squadre provenienti da istituti superiori di tutto il Veneto.
A distinguersi in particolare sono stati i padroni di casa, con ben otto squadre iscritte e un livello di preparazione che ha permesso al Galilei di conquistare la qualificazione ai Campionati Nazionali di Misano Adri...
Mercoledì 2 aprile 2025, presso la succursale del Liceo Galileo Galilei di Verona, si sono svolti i Campionati Regionali di Dama, un appuntamento atteso e partecipato che ha coinvolto ventidue squadre provenienti da istituti superiori di tutto il Veneto.
A distinguersi in particolare sono stati i padroni di casa, con ben otto squadre iscritte e un livello di preparazione che ha permesso al Galilei di conquistare la qualificazione ai Campionati Nazionali di Misano Adri...
Siamo nel pieno di un colpo di stato digitale . E le tasche profonde e gli ingenti investimenti pubblicitari delle Big Tech hanno alimentato – ormai da vent'anni – l'illusione che per essere visti e ascoltati online, per avere un impatto attraverso la scrittura, sia necessario utilizzare le loro piattaforme centralizzate. Perché "sono l'unica via".
"Non sono assolutamente d'accordo. Sono completamente sintonizzata con il Fediverso e le soluzioni di pubblicazione FOSS. Con questo post, spero di mostrarvi che un'altra soluzione è possibile"
Technological platforms are not neutral. If we truly want to resist the digital coup that is currently under way, we need to normalize the use of free, open source solutions.
Technological platforms are not neutral. If we truly want to resist the digital coup that is currently under way, we need to normalize the use of free, open source solutions.
#adoptawriter sounds great, really! That's a perfect example of getting the most out of complentary skills and interests and use this to build a better future.
I don't yet know my place in it, but I'm intrigued. Maybe giving a warm welcome for any adopted writers could be a first small step. 🙂
So it's undoubtedly the combination of content and form: I went to read because the subjects interested me, but the overall layout made for very enjoyable reading. Often, technical subjects are written by technical people, so the readability of the text is less of a concern 😅
Elena I read your article 👍 , if you are serious about social justice and the rights of women please look deep into the attack on the human right to self defense, and check out this video of empowered women too! firearm-videos.sixguns.com/vid…
I finally got to read your article 😊 I like your idea of #adoptawriter but to be able to adopt one, they must already be willing to join and I think this is the harder part than the technical hurdles.. But on the other hand it's a complex question and there is no silver bullet, the way to federate social media consists of many parts, and being helpful for sure is one of them.
- 'If she decided to move her newsletter to another platform she could make even more money'
My hunch says that most of this big names have separate agreements where they make more money than we think (part of the VC money would go there, for growth). With NDAs and all that.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but a lot of stuff works like that.
I loved your article though, and I'll start thinking of a writer to adopt right now!
posts like this make mastodon feel like one of the underground news feeds that Spider Jerusalem uses to unseat multiple corrupt presidents in Transmetropolitan
This is excellent and something I have been saying for a while. If anyone feels the need to use one of the Corporate Social Media Platforms, just make sure you are always pointing people back to sources hosted on the #SocialWeb or similar. Also put in your Bio "You can mostly find me on Mastodon here....." or similar There are lots of reasons why people might still want/need to be on those platforms but none of them should stop us trying to build something better.
Mastodon.Uno è la principale comunità mastodon italiana.
Con 77.000 iscritti è il più grande nodo Mastodon italiano: anima ambientalista a supporto della privacy e del mondo Open Source.
L'articolo proviene da #Euractiv Italia ed è stato ricondiviso sulla comunità Lemmy @Intelligenza Artificiale Il colosso tecnologico Meta ha intenzione di ricominciare ad addestrare la sua intelligenza artificiale sui post dei cittadini dell’UE, ha
Nulla sfugge alla guerra commerciale intrapresa da Donald Trump nel suo ritorno alla Casa Bianca. Sono passate meno 24 ore da quando il vicepresidente della Commissione europea l'henné Virkkunen (52 anni, Joursa, Finlandia) ha presentato il piano in …
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Una interessante spaccato storico sulle modalità di pubblicazione adottate, partendo da Hubzilla e Pterotype a #Ghost e #Wordpress con i suoi fantastici Plugin
ho sperimentato l'integrazione del mio progetto di pubblicazione di notizie con il Fediverse per quasi cinque anni. Ci sono stati diversi esperimenti, errori e momenti di insegnamento che mi hanno portato dove sono oggi. Voglio parlare di alcune delle cose che ho provato e del perché queste cose sono state importanti per me.
I wrote up an article on my personal (Ghost-powered!) blog about some of the work I’ve been doing to integrate our news publication at We Distribute into the #Fediverse.
This is the culmination of years and years of experiments, and we’re almost to a point where most of our ideas have been realized.
By the way, we take this opportunity to let @Sean Tilley and @Alex Kirk know that we tried the "Enable Mastodon Apps" plugin with #RaccoonforFriendica, which is an app developed for Friendica by @Dieguito 🦝 but is also compatible with Mastodon, but also allows you to write in simplified HTML with a very functional toolbar.
Well, it was wonderful to write formatted texts and with links from Raccoon for Friendica, even if I haven't managed to get the mentions to work yet.
Unfortunately, even if Raccoon allows you to publish posts with inline images, it can only do so with Friendica, while with the simple Mastodon API this is not possible.
I wrote up an article on my personal (Ghost-powered!) blog about some of the work I’ve been doing to integrate our news publication at We Distribute into the #Fediverse.
This is the culmination of years and years of experiments, and we’re almost to a point where most of our ideas have been realized.
This week is a bit of a shorter Report, it’s a relatively quieter news week and some other work is taking up most of my attention this week. Still, there is a PeerTube roadmap for 2025, some more updates on how FediForum is moving forward and more.
The News
Framasoft has published their PeerTube roadmap for 2025. Last year, PeerTube’s big focus was on the consumer, with the launch of the PeerTube apps. This year, PeerTube’s improvement is on instance administrators. The organisation will work on building a set-wizard, making it easier for new instance admins to get started and configure the platform. Framasoft will also work on further customisation for instances, allowing admins to further tune how the instance looks for the end-users. There is also a lot of work being done on video channels, with the new features being the ability to transfer ownership of a channel, as well as having channels that are owned by multiple accounts. Framasoft also mentions they are working on shared lists of blocked accounts and instances, where admins can share information with other admins on which instances to block. And now that PeerTube is available on Android and iOS, other new platforms that PeerTube will come to is tablets and Android TVs.
The planned FediForum for early April was cancelled at the last minute. A group of attendees held the Townhall event that was held in its place to discuss how to move forward, and listen to people’s perspectives. The notes of the FediForum Townhall have now been published. Last week, the FediForum account posted: “Planned next steps: another townhall likely next week, and a rescheduled & adapted FediForum in May.” The organisers posted a survey for attendees on how to move forward as well. Jon Pincus has an extensive article, “On FediForum (and not just FediForum)” that places the entire situation of why FediForum was cancelled, in its larger context.
PieFed now allows people to limit who can DM them. By default only people on the same instance can receive DMs from each other. The Piefed/Lemmy/Mbin network has seen a rise on spam DMs which send gore images, and this is a helpful way of dealing with this harassment.
IFTAS wrote about how they are continuing their mission. The organisation recently had to wind down most of their high-profile projects due to a lack of funding. This is not the end of the entire organisation however, as IFTAS will continue with their Moderator Needs Assessment, the CARIAD domain observatory, which provides insight in the most commonly blocked domains and more, as well as the IFTAS Connect community for fediverse moderators.
A master’s thesis on the fediverse, which looks at the user activity and governance structures, with the main finding: “The findings reveal that instance size and active engagement—such as frequent posting and interacting with others—are the strongest predictors of user activity, while technical infrastructure plays a more supportive role rather than a determining one. Governance structures, such as moderation practices and community guidelines, show a weaker but positive correlation with user activity.”
Sean Tilley from WeDistribute writes how his work on ‘Integrating a News Publication Into the Fediverse’. Tilley has over a decade of experimentation on building journalistic outlets on fediverse platforms, and in this article he reflects on all the different case studies he has done over the years, and where WeDistribute is headed next.
Building a blog website on Lemmy. This personal website uses Lemmy as a backend for a personal blogging site, where the site is effectively a Lemmy client that looks like a blogging site.
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Sei affascinato dal fediverso, il social web decentralizzato basato su protocolli come ActivityPub . Forse sogni di creare la prossima grande app federata
È qui che entra in gioco Fedify . Si tratta di un framework TypeScript progettato per gestire gli aspetti più complessi dello sviluppo di ActivityPub, consentendoti di concentrarti su ciò che rende speciale la tua app, senza dover reinventare la ruota della federazione
La fuga dalle piattaforme commerciali di molti giornalisti, testate, ricercatori e produttori di contenuti, viene spesso sminuita come un velleitario lavaggio della coscienza di chi vuole rifugiarsi in una bolla comunicativa.
PS: dispiace che non sia stata citata la nostra istanza poliversity.it dedicata al giornalismo e all'università e unica istanza Mastodon italiana che consenta di pubblicare testi lunghi e formattati, ndr
Sull’Aventino digitale, rinchiusi in una bolla impermeabile e autoreferenziale, ci sono Musk, Zuckerberg e una base di utenti costruita a immagine dei loro interessi politici e aziendali, non chi abbandona le loro piattaforme cercando alternative nelle reti federate e decentralizzate, assieme a milioni di altri soggetti che nella loro ricerca di libertà digitale si riscoprono nuovamente persone dopo anni di sudditanza trascorsi come “utenti”. Su @valigiablu
La fuga dalle piattaforme commerciali di molti giornalisti, testate, ricercatori e produttori di contenuti, non è un rifugiarsi sull'Aventino, è una forma di assunzione di responsabilità sociale davanti alla storia.
Vi siete segnatə vero che domenica 13 alle 14:30 alla Città dell'Utopia in via Valeriano 3f a #Roma c'è la quarta assemblea di istanza di Puntarella?
Come scrivevamo ieri, uno dei punti all'odg pensiamo possa essere la proposta di blocco delle istanze che fanno mirroring da X. Altre questioni che ci eravamo segnate sono: emendare la policy sulla moderazione di istanze/utenti spam; eventuali altri servizi da installare sul nostro server.
Chiediamo però a voi puntarelle di quali ulteriori temi pensate sia utile discutere: usate questo thread oppure, a patto di toottare in modalità pubblica, l'hashtag #PuntAssemblea
Quarta Assemblea di Puntarella.party - A/Social indipendente de Roma
Inizia:Domenica Aprile 13, 2025 @ 2:30 PM GMT+02:00 (Europe/Rome)
Finisce:Domenica Aprile 13, 2025 @ 6:30 PM GMT+02:00 (Europe/Rome)
La quarta assemblea di istanza di #Puntarella sarà esattamente un anno dopo la terza: domenica 13 aprile, dalle 14:30 a La Città dell'Utopia, in via Valeriano 3f a #Roma. Come sempre, sarà un'occasione per confrontarci sulla nostra community, sulle regole che ci diamo, sull'infrastruttura tecnica, sulla vita, il fediverso e tutto quanto.
A new security fund for the fediverse, and the Lemmy developers held an AMA.
The News
The Nivenly Foundation, the organisation that administers the Hachyderm.io instance, is opening a new security fund to sponsor contributors who disclose security vulnerabilities. All software has security vulnerabilities, and the fediverse is no exception. The recent Pixelfed vulnerability, which affected non-Pixelfed servers, is a clear example of how fediverse software can make software vulnerabilities more complex due to the interaction between different software platforms.
The Nivenly Fediverse Security Fund will sponsor $250 USD for vulnerabilities that are rated as high risk (7-9 CVSS score) and $500 USD for vulnerabilities with a critical score (9+ CVSS). The program will run until the end of September 2025. Nivenly members “hold a member vote to determine if we want to continue the program, and to establish a longer-term committee to steward and maintain the program.”
Last week, I wrote how Pixelfed’s vulnerability actually showed three different problems: The main problem is Pixelfed’s software vulnerability itself, but there were also two other problems: other software like Mastodon do not make it clear which risk comes with their private posts feature. And once a leak like this one happens, very few fediverse software admins communicated to their users that they might have been affected.
A security fund contributes to combating software vulnerabilities, but it can also help with communication to the rest of the fediverse once a vulnerability is found. It incentives that standard industry practices regarding software vulnerability get followed, and make communication clearer to a wider audience. For example, if Pixelfed’s recent vulnerability had gotten a CVSS classification, it might have been easier to make the severity of the vulnerability explicit to other fediverse software admins. In turn, this might have made it more likely that server admins would communicate the situation with their users.
In last week’s email essay I also wrote about how the fediverse is missing governance infrastructure that connects the various independent nodes and communities. One way to view the fediverse is as a response to centralised Big Tech platforms. These platforms have centralised governance, and are under the control of few people. The fediverse’s response to this is to build a social network that consists of tens of thousands of independent communities, all with their own governance structure. The fediverse has been successful in decentralising the single entity that oversees a social network into many pieces that all oversee a small portion of the network. But it has struggled to build a governance structure that ties all these individual pieces together again.
The Nivenly Fediverse Security Fund is a good example of this problem: software security impacts all the thousands of independent fediverse communities, but there is no overarching structure to collaborate and improve the security. It took one server taking the initiative into their own hands and provide a service for the entire network, at their own cost. Ideally, communities would collaborate on such a security fund instead. Nivenly’s announcement does leave space for such a future direction of the fund, saying that they are open to “establish a longer-term committee to steward and maintain the program”.
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The Lemmy developers, Dessalines and nutomic, held an Ask Me Anything recently, and here are some of the answers that stood out to me:
Lemmy is working towards their 1.0 release. This is currently expected to be in the fall, although nutomic also says that “these things always take longer than expected”. He also expects some instances like lemmy.ml already to upgrade some months before.
One of the main features for Lemmy 1.0 is private communities, where only approved accounts can browse and posts to the community. This type of closed group functionality is in high demand, and both Mastodon and Pixelfed have tried to implement it. Mastodon got a grant for it, but the proof-of-concept code has been sitting there since 2022. Pixelfed has announced and teased a group feature multiple times over the year and showed screenshots of it, but it also is not publicly available yet.
Lemmy posts are interoperable with Mastodon, but the interoperability is not great: a Lemmy post appears on Mastodon as the title plus the URL. There has been many conversations about how Mastodon handles content from other platforms, with no changes so far. In this AMA, nutomic is explicit in saying that it is up to Mastodon to change this. While Mastodon seems open to the idea, and has been in conversations with developers from platforms like Ghost and NodeBB on how to show their content better on Mastodon, there has been little indication that Mastodon is taking steps towards making Lemmy content also better visible on Mastodon.
On the subject of how Lemmy can grow, Dessalines describes it as an organic progress, saying: “niche communities on reddit will keep getting fed up with the changes, and migrate to lemmy.” Nutomic describes a similar dynamic for fedi and Bluesky more broadly, saying that he expects that over the long term the fediverse might grow in a similar manner: “when the Bluesky admins make decisions that the community doesnt like, and then there may be another migration wave to the Fediverse”. Both replies indicate Lemmy’s vision of how the project can grow in the long run: stay consistently working on your product, and because platforms like Lemmy are not beholden to investors, they can have a longer lifespan, and outlive platforms who are beholden to shareholder expectations.
Grouping of communities (similar to PieFed’s topics or Reddit’s multireddits) “will be implemented soon“.
Ahoy! is a one-day conference for the European Social Web, and will be held on April 24th 2025 in Hamburg, Germany. The conference is mainly focused on Bluesky and the AT Protocol, and has some super fascinating speakers of people who are in the forefront of building new communities on the open social web. If you’re around I can definitely recommend it. I’ll be doing some interviews with people there, so if you are considering joining, let me know and we can say hi!
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La cantante partenopea ha appena prodotto il suo nuovo album, Furèsta, uscito il giorno di primavera. Tra le tracce, una più bella dell'altra, spicca il brano Figlia d' 'a Tempesta, un potente inno alla dignità femminile
In Parque Ibirapuera in São Paulo. It's a beautiful urban park; rightfully considered one of the city's main attractions. Glad I made it off Avenida Paulista to here.
One thing that's wild about climate change policy is that the US considers a carbon tax an absolute non-starter despite the critical need to reduce GHGs and then puts a 25% tariff on cars for practically no good reason.
I recall reading several months ago what seemed to be wishful thinking speculation (hmm, maybe _slightly_ better than that, based on quick search source may have been the then soon to be nominated treasury secretary reuters.com/world/us/bessent-c…) that a CBAM (likely only kind of tariff I'd be in favor of) could be part of the mix.
Instead we get massive stupidity, which happens to include tariffs on cars: even a crazy clock is occasionally correct-ish.
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macfranc
in reply to OpenStars • • •In the past we had gotten into the habit of calling the set of thread-based environments #threadverse, but the advent of the terrible Meta service has polluted this denomination.
Personally I would use the expression #topicverse
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FediForum | The Threadverse - Lemmy, Kbin, PieFed
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in reply to macfranc • • •Topicverse sounds kinda nice.
To be fair, people were using Threadiverse before Meta revealed that they were working on their Threads. And now they do not want to switch?
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trashcan
in reply to OpenStars • • •Lemmy Federate also says this:
Maybe try to get a piefed namedrop there?
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in reply to trashcan • • •I noticed PieFed.social on page 9, and the link is functional, even though next to it the status says "disabled".
That site doesn't seem very trustworthy. I wonder if it is measuring how "Lemmy-like" an instance is? Anyway I've never heard of that site before, but passing the note to @rimu@piefed.social anyway in case it helps:-).
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trashcan
in reply to OpenStars • • •It's run by an instance admin. I wanna say lemy.lol?
I believe that just means piefed.social isn't participating in the service.
Edit: is that right, @iso@lemy.lol?
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iso
in reply to trashcan • • •Yes, it is just disabled. Lemmy Federate supports every threadiverse software and Piefed is one of them.
Currently Piefed communities can be followed by Lemmy instances but not the other way around.
In general, every fediverse software that support FEP-1b12 and can receive Lemmy-like PM’s can register to Lemmy Federate.
/cc @OpenStars@discuss.online @rimu@piefed.social @julian@community.nodebb.org
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julian
in reply to iso • • •Re: As the creator of Mbin I'm also calling it Threadiverse.
iso
in reply to julian • • •IIRC Lemmy and Mastodon PMs are different and incompatible. If you can receive PMs from Lemmy users then you should be able to receive auth codes. Currently @rikudou@lemmings.world is adding both Lemmy and Mastodon PMs here: github.com/ismailkarsli/lemmy-…
Also software other than Lemmy and Mbin needs to add ‘roleName: Administrator’ to their user webfinger requests. This is because ActivityPub doesn’t have a standard way to expose user roles.
I’m thinking of adding another ways of verifying like DNS based verification but still not sure. Any recommendations are welcome 😀
lemmy-federate/src/lib/activity-pub-client.ts at 8721587b07a3108ebdc7fb0b62a82c62f4e5f549 · ismailkarsli/lemmy-federate
GitHubRikudou_Sage
in reply to julian • • •AP Extensions - Pleroma Documentation
docs.pleroma.socialtrashcan
in reply to iso • • •You mean using your tool, or overall?
iso
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in reply to iso • • •OpenStars
in reply to iso • • •Yeah something is screwy - PieFed.social is most definitely aware of lemy.lol (see this at piefed.social/instance/lemy.lo…), but the last post it has from your own account seems to be nine months ago, and the second link on that page I linked, to "Posts" yields an error.
Nor does this portion of the conversation appear in this version of the OP (see here, which should have all of these responses below it but they are lacking there).
So apologies, I guess it's not just the tool, rather the issue is wider than that: either your instance lemy.lol or PieFed.social (or both) are not communicating in the standard manner with one another. Fwiw, PieFed.social seems to have no trouble federating with (any? at least the vast majority?) of other Lemmy instances? But I will leave that to you and rimu to work out:-).
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piefed.socialiso
in reply to OpenStars • • •Interesting. I didn't realize my instance wasn't federated with Piefed. I'll contact the Piefed admins about this.
However, this issue is probably not related to Lemmy Federate because Piefed.social doesn't even use it.
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in reply to melroy • • •Re: As the creator of Mbin I'm also calling it Threadiverse.
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org NodeBB here, agreed.
It really is the most succinct nickname to describe the type of software we are... and I feel that outweighs possible association with Threads.
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in reply to melroy • • •Poliverso - notizie dal Fediverso ⁂
in reply to melroy • •@melroy Unfortunately, as I explained elsewhere, the problem is that Meta has now "infected" the word thread.
For this reason I would propose #topicverse also because in fact, it is not so much the "thread" that characterizes the Lemmy/xBin/Piefed/BBCode environment, but the ability to immediately identify the "topics". In fact, Mastodon also has the thread, even if it is unwatchable, but the topic display is only available in some software (and some apps like Raccoon for Friendica, which allow you to view the topics of activitypub groups also on Mastodon)
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FundMECFS
in reply to OpenStars • • •Forumverse makes the most sense but it really doesn’t roll of the tounge.
Hence I prefer Lemmyverse or Threadiverse.
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in reply to OpenStars • • •Skunk
in reply to OpenStars • • •Oh shit my vote made 100%, I didn’t know I was the first to vote.
The Verse it is then 😁
Le Verse in my corner of the world.
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in reply to OpenStars • • •Bulletinfedi?
Forumverse gets my vote out of the listed options.
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in reply to lambalicious • • •That too. Short for narcotics officer. But can also generally mean to snitch now in slang.
Edit: usage example: to narc on someone
"don't narc on me bro"
"don't let Jeremy find out, he's such a narc"
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in reply to catloaf • • •That is halfway a joke.
We also still have Fediverse, to encompass everything that implements the ActivityPub protocol, e.g. Friendica, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops (planned but not implemented yet iirc?). So the Threadiverse/Forumverse/Whatever is meant to distinguish from that.
But Bulletinfedi is distinct enough I think?
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in reply to catloaf • • •sadfsadfsafa
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arakhis_
in reply to OpenStars • • •I need ad-like branding on what Mbin and PieFed are.
Im too lazy to look it up
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in reply to arakhis_ • • •They both have features that Lemmy lacks.
Like PieFed has polls, post flairs, hashtags, categories of communities (basically multi-reddits), which are user customizable and shareable, and a lot more. Though lacking quite a bit of polish such as post and comment previews, and very little to almost no official app support (though an API was recently released and Thunder is being tested, and Interstellar already supports it). It's newer than Lemmy, but written in Python rather than the difficult Rust language, so in many ways has already surpassed Lemmy in terms of features (and even Reddit in some ways too, especially since the only new features there for the last decade were solely aimed at increasing profits rather than good experiences for the users).
Mbin's primary distinction is also supporting federation not only with Lemmy (and PieFed) but also Mastodon. And it has a different interface that some people prefer to Lemmy's. If you want both the Threadiverse/Forumverse/Whatever and Mastodon integration with a single account, this is the only option atm.
Both PieFed and Mbin are entirely separate implementations of the ActivityPub protocol, so whether you actually use them or not it is worth celebrating that Lemmy is now not the only one that implements this forum/thread/basically Reddit replacement style (other notable implementations include Friendica a Facebook replacement, and Mastodon an X/Twitter one, Pixelfed I think an Instagram one, etc.). Especially with Lemmy's association with "tankies" that tends to drive many people away (e.g. 100% of the people that I've ever told about Lemmy irl; and Reddit's r/RedditAlternatives is filled with stories of people who don't want to come here bc of all the BoTh SiDeS sAmE rhetoric that we allow here, plus Lemmy is somehow more authoritian than Reddit even, having a modlog but no modmail, no notification of a moderation event, no ability to discuss bc it simply says that a "mod" did it, and you don't have a right to even so much as be told that your content is now removed! instance admins have much more freedom here, it's fantastic, but actual users only have what manages to trickle down from them, and the software itself very much reflects an authoritarian mindset, even in comparison to Reddit).
Btw, fuck spez.
TLDR: Lemmy isn't the only game in town, yet we need a name that is both distinct from other Fediverse tools (Mastodon, Friendica, Pixelfed, Loops, etc.) while also being inclusive to the other Reddit replacement tools, currently Mbin and PieFed, but in the future including Sublinks, and who knows what else?
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in reply to OpenStars • • •Die4Ever
in reply to OpenStars • • •this is actually an option for instance admins to choose
Otter
in reply to OpenStars • • •I've been using threadiverse, but I prefer forumverse
It's immediately clear what it's referring to, and it leaves it open to other compatible platforms once they implement activity pub nicely. Being able to subscribe and post to official support forums from the forumverse would be a cool promo point
Also people refer to many things as "threads". Conversations, comment sections, discord has threads. Forum is much more clear
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in reply to Otter • • •I used to prefer "Forumverse" as well. But people don't seem to want to use it?
While "Threadiverse" seems to predate Meta's Threads here on Lemmy, see e.g. szmer.info/post/349217 and this comment from Ada lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/9384… from 2+ years ago. Tbf I did find a reference to Forumverse from 2 years ago as well, but then virtually nobody uses it again until essentially db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com rediscovers it a handful of months ago.
So "Threadiverse" has some history behind it, except then Meta ruined the association for many people. But... we here on Lemmy were using it first!!?
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in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to GrumpyDuckling • • •But that would mean that we mainly talk about Linux...
Which, yup, sounds about right!
In that case though, [puts actshually hat on], wouldn't it be gun+verse?
ilinamorato
in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to ilinamorato • • •True, but doesn't Xhitter and Bluesky and Mastodon also have a type of voting? Even if it is called or functions slightly differently?
I did not explain much of the back story, but the Fediverse is already the term used to describe federated social media, so the term here that we need is to pick one that describes the specific subset of it that focuses on threaded conversions, centered around those topic areas (called posts, and then those topics being further aggregated into higher-level topics, called communities) rather than centered around a user tweeting/X-creting/whatever their shit.
And we also have a focus on much longer-form content than those others, which like Mastodon have smaller character limits imposed upon their thoughts (so that they cannot ramble on as I have done here:-).
ilinamorato
in reply to OpenStars • • •I don't think likes serve the same function as votes. The downvote, the ranking as a function of score and recency, and the surfacing and consensus-building that comes as a result are the main point of this sort of platform.
By contrast, the microblog "like" (at least on a platform without an algorithm, like Mastodon) doesn't do anything other than express appreciation.
Threads are common in pretty much every form of social media now, from friend-aggregation sites like Facebook and Friendica to messaging services like Discord and Revolt. They're hardly exclusive to a Reddit/Lemmy-type service. Mastodon even organizes posts into threads (though I think that it does so in a much more clumsy way).
(Edit: by "don't they have votes?" do you mean polls? Because that's a completely different function altogether than the Lemmy/Reddit vote.)
OpenStars
in reply to ilinamorato • • •No I did mean up & downvotes, and you added a good perspective. I don't use Mastodon and my main experience there was Kbin, now Mbin, which has both Boosts and actual upvotes (and reduces, which aren't shown, and downvotes).
I think you are correct: the voting was always the core behind why people liked Reddit, as compared to others at the time.
Although it seems like people are more adamant about remaining with Threadiverse, for the sake of history.
But if a new term was to be used, it would be good for it to reflect voting. Like Forumverse does, perhaps?
ilinamorato
in reply to OpenStars • • •Yeah, I think "forumverse" isn't bad. Though I have always felt like a Reddit-like interface and a forum interface are fundamentally different, in some way I can't really put my finger on. I've been involved in bulletin board forums (fora?) in one aspect or another since the late 90s, so maybe it's just nostalgia vs. recency bias; though it could also be the feeling that a "forum" seems like it should be hyper-specific, with different subforums on an already-niche bulletin board scoping down to even more niche and specific areas.
(Side note: Actually, now that I think about it, maybe the forum -> topic -> thread connection is why people like the name "threadiverse." The word "thread" definitely seems like it arose from there.)
Anyway, I am fully ready to admit that I'm yelling at clouds here. Get off my lawn, dang kids and all that.
ilinamorato
in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to ilinamorato • • •I mean, yeah it'll be better to have a term in which Reddit plays no part in defining is!
And this post is an opportunity to make exactly such a term!
Say "fuck spez" in the absolute best way possible - by moving on and forget that he ever existed, as we build our own stuff here.😁
ilinamorato
in reply to OpenStars • • •celeste
in reply to OpenStars • • •Forumverse, I guess.
(Though I'm always in favor of silly word combos, there aren't many good ones. I like Piebin, but how do you get lemmy in there? Plebin? No thanks.)
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Die4Ever
in reply to Fluffy Kitty Cat • • •like what features are you wanting?
Lemmy already has the "New Comments" sort, which is the biggest feature of forums vs Reddit
Lemmy also has the "Chat" view for comments, which is good but needs to show context with them as my feature request here says github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/i…
Chat view could show single comment of context · Issue #2544 · LemmyNet/lemmy-ui
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in reply to Fluffy Kitty Cat • • •Yeah, what features? Polls? Community flairs? The ability to restrict downvotes to only members of a community? The ability to combine multiple communities into one overarching category? And then customize that without needing admin support, and then also share that with other users? The ability to personally block every user from an instance, again without requiring admin approval? The ability to automatically label every user that has a brand new account, less than two weeks old? Or that posts 10x more often than they comment, hence might be an unregistered bot account? Or that gives and receives 10x more downvotes than upvotes, so is at best a controversial and at worst a highly toxic personality - but again, independent of an admin or moderator, and instead being totally in control of the user? Or the ability to block posts based on keywords, but perhaps not all such posts, and instead having granularity of All vs. None vs. Some? Or offering hashtags for content discoverability beyond communities and categories of communities? Or the ability to follow anything you want - a community, a user, a post, a comment (even not made by you) - and arguably far more importantly, the ability to NOT receive notifications for something that you wrote?
PieFed has all of that, and more. Lemmy has none of it. Do as you please, but now you know. Check it out: piefed.social/ .
Edit: even Reddit lacks many of these features. As it enshittified, it kept adding features that attempted to boost its profitability, like various forms of irl coinage, rather than provide stuff that people actually wanted to see.
Fluffy Kitty Cat
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in reply to Fluffy Kitty Cat • • •_NetNomad
in reply to OpenStars • • •i think threadiverse is the move. partly because it's already in regular use and partky because it's very self-explanatory. forumverse could have some legs to it now that more traditional forum software like nodebb and soon flarum support federation now, maybe it could refer to the broader category containing traditional forums and the threadiverse, but i feel like leaving out the "fedi" part kinda defeats the point (threadiverse at least partially maintains it by being a pun on it). maybe fediforums is the way to go?
it's a whole 'nother can of worms but ironically in my experience the "verse" part of threadiverse is more offputting than the "thread" part because people think "metaverse," but that's just anecdotal and the term fediverse itself already has too much momentum to easily fall out of fashion
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in reply to _NetNomad • • •Yeah and I did not clarify well here that nobody will stop using Fediverse (I think?!): that is a fine term that should continue to exist. But we also need a term for the subset of that which the likes of Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, and now as you say nodebb and soon flarum (and perhaps eventually Sublinks?) and ofc many others will also join. What is this subset of the Fediverse to be called?
Ngl, I kinda just instantly fell in love with fediforums as you mentioned it right here. However, it also seems fairly similar to Fediverse, perhaps too much so?
Forumverse seems more distinct, from the Fediverse? As too does Threadiverse. And the latter has history and traction, but also seems a bit tainted by association with Meta, who seems to destroy everything that it touches? 😛 Though importantly, we here on Lemmy were using it first! So is that enough justification to reclaim the term, in people's minds? What do you in particular think?
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ElectroVagrant
in reply to OpenStars • • •Personally I dislike anything with -verse involved because big companies have run it into the ground and then some.
The boring, dry ways of describing them work best in my opinion.
Federated forums is the driest, most technical and to the point but not very telling.
Swap out forum for link aggregator and you have similar, arguably even more technical (certainly more of a mouthful).
Connected/linked forums might be more approachable, more readily conveying how these are separate forums but networked together.
Cross-forums may work as well to the same end, but not sure how immediately understandable cross may be in this context and outside of gaming spaces.
Whatever the case I kind of think this has things backwards. What's more important than describing and talking about the backend tech is pointing people to any of the sites built with them that have anything of interest to them to bother with. I can't think of anything online I've ever gone to or used because someone told me it was using Apache, Nginx, phpBB, or like an Open Source Web Server or using such and such CDN.
The reason why is simple: next to nobody talks like that. The only people that might are deep in web dev.
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in reply to ElectroVagrant • • •JubilantJaguar
in reply to ElectroVagrant • • •OpenStars
in reply to ElectroVagrant • • •On the other hand, the software used has an ENORMOUS effect upon the quality and such of the communication. e.g. forum software such as Lemmy allow much longer-form, topic-based discussions than e.g. Mastodon where you have to follow a particular user account or else you won't see anything at all. So "Mastodon" implies extreme difficulty in having conversations in the first place, especially for non-technical, normie users, and also a heavily short-form tweets/X-cretes/skeets/whatever, user-centric form of communication. Whereas Lemmy allows me to ramble on for quite awhile, and even if you don't follow my account, by being interested in this topic, you'll see my words.
So software isn't everything, but it also is not nothing either.
Anyway, we could call ourselves anything we like. Brain-dead fart pirates, I don't care, so long as we pick a name:-). It might help to pick one that people like though, especially the people that contribute much to making this place what it is.
I personally don't mind -verse. I don't watch most Marvel movies to begin with, and the word itself carries connotations of "the universe", which is what we want I think bc we are talking about like "the set of all, i.e. the universe of, connected (using ActivityPub protocol) forum-like software platforms". Hence Fediverse at the high end, i.e. including such platforms as Mastodon and Friendica and Pixelfed, but at the lower end... what there? Threads? ActivityPub Forums? Any short, catchy moniker may work -> so what is it then?
lambalicious
in reply to OpenStars • • •Lembipie. What else?
(And why does this particular subset need a name, anyway? The plus combo is easier to get the point across with)
OpenStars
in reply to lambalicious • • •It was Lemmy+Mbin.
Now it's already up to Lemmy+Mbin+PieFed+nodebb.
And flarum and Sublinks may be added at some point as well.
So the plus syntax, now that there's already 4-6 of them (7 if you count Kbin but there's only a single instance in the entire world, in Poland I believe, that uses it these days, everyone else switched to Mbin), seems untenable?
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OpenStars
in reply to MyOpinion • • •That works for Lemmy + K/Mbin.
But now with +PieFed, +nodebb, and soon +flarum, and perhaps +Sublinks, Lemmyville doesn't seem very inclusive?
I already started this as a poll about post flairs, neither of which features is nor is expected to appear on Lemmy very soon iirc. The rest of the Fediverse isn't waiting around for coders to learn Rust and eventually getting around to adding features to Lemmyville.
So Lemmy in particular may want to not start being exclusive! It will get left behind if it does!
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OpenStars
in reply to LandedGentry • • •I think one of the major tropes present in the show was to demonstrate how there aren't simply white hats vs. black hats (to use cowboy terms). Mal is a criminal, "forced" into living that way bc the government won't "allow" him to live legitimately (except... really? Why won't they again?). Therefore, the presence of great darkness within his lightness, or as you might prefer the presence of occasional boughts of lightness within his darkness, is not a "bug", it's a "feature" of the show, to walk out that yin and yang in a fantasy space opera setting.
Nobody is perfect. Some are far less so than others. Those at least tend to be aware of their imperfections, as opposed to e.g. The Galactic Empire muwhahaha, ahem cough, anyways they seem so stolid, so absolutely certain of their moral righteousness, that unlike the criminal Mal who often isn't such a bad guy once you get to know him, commits atrocities the likes of which would turn people's stomachs, if they knew (hence those are kept as closely guarded secrets).
So I think you missed that: from the perspective of the show, that was no accident - that was literally the entire point of what they were attempting to convey. Mal was not a "good guy". He just had light in his darkness, the same way that the empire has darkness in its light (or is it rather the other way around?).
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OpenStars
in reply to LandedGentry • • •Yay Jayne was fairly simplistic. The dude barely had any morality bc he was more animal than man. So in that way he played a "straight man" to Mal'a greater level of complexity? He even gave voice to what many of the others were thinking, including Mal himself, but they had the grace to not say it.
True evil requires a minimum amount of "character" in order to achieve anything at all - great or otherwise. So it's less like Jayne was "bad" and the government was "good", and more like Jayne was simplisticly animal-like, while the true evils rose up much higher. With great power comes great responsibility, or whatever.
Jayne is like a wall painting in the background - he's scenery?
As far as Whedon, I dunno, I like a lot of his works, I don't like his character. The two aren't entirely connected in my mind, though perhaps they should be more so, I just don't know.
On the other hand, wasn't all of this pretty much happening even while the show was still in production? You mentioned that it had "aged", so I wasn't coming at this from a perspective of bad show vs. good show, but from it having been a good show where something external caused its goodness to have tanked. If it had been bad at the start, then we wouldn't say that it "aged", just that the show sucked. Which it didn't... and yet, also... didn't it always though? That yin and yang seemed to me to have not been so much changed by the passage of time?
Edit: oh, I haven't heard of whatever has been revealed about the actor who plays Jayne. Maybe that's what you meant. It might change my own perspective of the show in that case. I would hope not actually... but it might.
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in reply to OpenStars • • •flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc)
in reply to OpenStars • • •schnurrito
in reply to OpenStars • • •I've been calling it threadiverse because that is what I saw most other people call it.
Really all it is is "ActivityPub groups" or if that is too technical, "fediverse groups".
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Snoopy
in reply to OpenStars • • •Well, if you look at the sidebar of !fediverse@piefed.social i included NodeBB. 😅
In this post too 🥹
So it can't be Lemmy,Mbin,PieFed. And i'm adding flarum.
However, we can create separate category :
- aggregator link : lemmy,mbin,piefed
- forum : nodebb, flarum
1) Thank to Meta, i don't like it...
2) My favorite one, it remind me of forum era
3) Abstract and beautiful. Poetry, bible and verb. Something we have never see before 😊.
4) i'm against. Link aggregator shouldn't be tied by a software name but a global concept as thread of forum. If i have 6 softwares...do you write them all ?
5) linkagg lousy but pratical. Bad name are the best. 😎
I think we should redo the post, but, for now, let's see where it go 😊
Edit : added answer
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OpenStars
in reply to Snoopy • • •So far, mainly from this post bc the poll has such a small sample size, the term that seems vastly preferred is Threadiverse. Bc of its history, and how people have already been calling it that. Sort this post by Hot to see what I mean.
I don't think Forumverse is "bad", plus as you say it better represents the new additions of nodebb and flarum. Although that term would be swimming against the tide of people that have been using Threadiverse all this time and seem to not want to switch (possibly bc I did not explain the situation well, especially the clarification about the term Fediverse already existing, and now how the situation is a bit different wrt nodebb and flarum).
Ofc this is all just on a Sunday -> there is still lots of room for things to happen in the next coming days, to see how these results may shift:-).
pewgar_seemsimandroid
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in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to omgboom • • •Might be too obvious:-).
Alternatively, The Linux hangout.
irelephant
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in reply to OpenStars • • •youronlyone
in reply to OpenStars • • •When the first Reddit migration happened, the migrants called it #Threadiverse and has always been that way. Although some tried to change it (Threads was not around yet, or public, IIRC), it didn't work, the migrants prefer Threadiverse so it stuck.
Changing names in the Fediverse is not easy since it has grown humongous already. Back in 2008 it was simply called #Identiverse. Then a few years later it morphed into the #Fediverse (this was before ActivityPub, yes, the Fediverse is years older than ActivityPub).
Back in 2021/2022, we tried to change the name "Fediverse" because Twitter migrants and the Press/Media were whining too much about it. Even though we reached a consensus, the we were far too small compared to the number of new people.
The people who kept on complaining about the name "Fediverse", when they were asked to participate in the disucssion and polls, they did not. When they were presented with the new name, they either ignored us or started whining again. 🤷🏽
Anyway, if there's a huge population involved, it's not going to be easy.
Now, I'm not discouraging you, rather, I shared our experience in the hopes that you'll find a better way. Because personally, I'm not so fond of "Threadiverse", haha.
If you use, for example, the lemmyBB interface, it's no longer "threadi", it's a forum. 😝 (I know, lame reason.)
Oh! One thing that came out of trying to rename the Fediverse, people don't want "-verse" anywhere because it's overused. Multiverse. Metaverse. Fediverse. Threadiverse. Benverse. Omniverse. Panverse. Whoverse. Trekverse.
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youronlyone
in reply to youronlyone • • •Hmm… I like the -ville suggestion. #Threadiville perhaps?
So:
- Fediverse
- Threadiville local group
- Mbin galaxy
- Fedia IO planet
- Kbin galaxy
- Kbin social planet
- Nodebb galaxy
- Lemmy galaxy
- Lemmy World planet
- Microville local group
- Mastoforks galaxy
- Pleroma galaxy
- Writingville local group
- Plume galaxy
- WriteFreely galaxy
- Ghost galaxy
- Faceville local group
- Friendica galaxy
- -key forks galaxy
- CMSville local group
- Hubzilla galaxy
- Drupal galaxy
- Wordpress galaxy
😁
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OpenStars
in reply to youronlyone • • •Tagging @Snoopy@piefed.social.
This is a great summary of the history of the topic, thank you!😀
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trashcan
in reply to youronlyone • • •youronlyone
in reply to trashcan • • •It started as a suggestion, then we compiled it and made phases of polls. (The instance clised shop, unfortunately.)
Based on those, the most that got the votes was the suggestion "Mycelium". It was inspired by Star Trek: Discovery and the real-world mycelium.
The second one, I can't remember but it was also related to nature's fungi or plants.
The list of suggestions and votes were based on who participated. And at the time it was done, it was the Twitter Migration, and people were complaining loudly about the name "Fediverse". And yet, those who participated were mostly pre-Migration people (who generally didn't have a strong issue with "Fediverse"). 😄
Allero
in reply to OpenStars • • •trashcan
in reply to Allero • • •Madbrad200
in reply to OpenStars • • •OpenStars
in reply to Madbrad200 • • •The word itself sounds nice, but is the least inclusive.
That's like saying that all of these conversations that we all have are on Lemmy.World? Sure, it's between 50 and 80% true (users and the most active communities, respectively, including this one we are in now), but it misses a ton of nuance and detail there.
PieFed, Mbin, and now nodebb, with others on the way (flarum, perhaps Sublinks) also exist.
So why call this all "Lemmy", when that's only a part - granted, by far the majority portion - of the whole?
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